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« on: January 14, 2011, 02:17:39 PM »

Looks very intresting indeed. Just what I've been looking for.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2011, 12:00:35 PM »

Yes, its a new arranger module by Roland.  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2011, 10:15:41 PM »

hopefully this will mean somewhere down the road there are some new styles to grab, unless they made the units styles incompatible with the g70
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2011, 02:17:34 PM »

Here's the manual. Makes for very intresting reading.
Thanks goes to Don Mason.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2011, 02:25:07 PM »

Thanks a lot mate!  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2011, 01:30:01 AM »

I was one of beta testers of Bk7m. First Impressions is that it sounds great!
We had my E80 and Bk7m module side by side on same PA system and we found out that it sounds exactly as E80. I tried factory styles, my user styles and my  tweaked SMF's from E80 in Bk7m...it sounds right away as on my E80...Incredible!
We are delighted with what we heard and it left us to wait with impatience when we will finally be able to buy this little miracle.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2011, 02:16:39 AM »

Deja... interesting info about you being a beta tester.

From reading the specs, this looks like it is based on the GW-8/Prelude hardware, all of which derived from the Sonic Cell engine. Can you tell me if you have ever tried to do the same thing on a GW/Prelude? That is, set it up next to an E80 and see if you can get them to sound 'identical'?

Do you have much info about sounds that made it to the BK, that AREN'T in the GW-8? From the specs, on paper at least, the GW-8L has quite a lot MORE sounds than the BK, with its 'World' section added (which basically doubled the sound ROM), and some of those (especially the Latin Perc) were some of my favorites.

I'm definitely interested in a BK, first of all, to add an arranger capability to a decent workstation (rather than trying to get decent WS capability out of an arranger!), and secondly, to add some of that GW 'flava' to my recording rig. Primary to my being able to do that, especially use it with a WS, is a flexible MIDI implementation. One of the things that we found SO restrictive on the G/E series was, the Keyboard Parts couldn't send CC/PC# codes OTHER than what addressed the internal sounds. So, for use with external gear, quite a problem.

Secondly, in the Makeup Tools, basically the same problem... Yes, you could send a Song or a Style Part out to an external piece of gear, but the Makeup Tools didn't allow you to set the CC/PC codes, you were still restricted to the internal preset CC/PC codes. This meant, if you wanted to have the arranger address external gear, you had to go into the style data itself, and edit the style in detail. A total PITA, enough to make it barely worthwhile. So.... have Roland, seeing as this is a module, beefed up the MIDI capability?

BTW, you being a beta tester, presumably you have some kind of 'back door' to the people at Roland...? Perhaps, if you can, could you point out to them that Korg have introduced their 'Chord Sequencer' feature (more of a live chord 'looper' than a sequencer, really) on the new PA3X. They dropped this feature after the G1000, and I think it is the biggest mistake they ever did. Now that a competitor has brought it back, perhaps THEY could re-introduce it, too?

It's a game changer for arranger players, particularly for people that might use a BK, as they are often people playing OTHER instruments (accordion, MIDI guitar, etc.) and, once having set up a chord loop, can play hands free on the top of the loop. Please beg them, cajole them, harass them into bringing it back! I would be eternally in your debt!

One last thing about the BK... do you know if there is a large amount of brand new styles in it, or are they mostly reworked GW/Prelude styles?
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2011, 07:20:45 AM »

I'm getting excited about this module.  I do want to thank Don Patterson for sending me the manual.  All I did was put it on my website so it could be shared.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2011, 01:17:15 AM »

We had this module for a short time so we didnt have as much time as we want to try out all of it.
My friend who is one of beta testers too has module for two days and he have GW8 experience...he said that BK sounds more expensive that GW8.
All I now that it sound same as E80 to my ears  Smiley
 
It have 3 MFx for style and one Mfx per Tone, same as E80.
It have general EQ and Compressor for style and tone separately.
It has all tones and drum sets as E80 with makeup tools possibility so all i get tweaked in my E80 and get it to Bk sounds same! (apart from SRX expansion cose BK doesnt have it).

In this manual for BK there is list of sounds that it will come for all region. But in this beta BK7m that we tested there was some additional sounds for our region, that was also in Gw8 East Europe model...so I am sure that there will be L version of BK as well.

We test it with Fantom G and it was the dream come true...arranger/SMF separated from solo sounds from fantom and use same keyboard to control harmony for arranger...
We are writing our suggestions and hopefully they will listen to some of it...

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2011, 05:01:57 AM »

Excellent news...

Thanks for the info. A BK-7m/L (for Latin) would be one very powerful piece of gear. And no doubt the -E version is very handy in your part of the world.

Please keep the in formation coming if you get any more. This thing is starting to sound like the bargain of the year... E80 quality sounds, for about $1000 street.

Can't wait.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 11:56:12 PM »

There are two super natural tones (“N.Trombone” and “N.Tenor Sax”) that sounds just fantastic! I just must imagine how will it sounds in styles  Shocked
One touch settings from styles (E80) works with no problemo!!!
User Program from E80 (or G70, E series in global) have a different extension so its unreadable as it is for BK for now...so we point to this problem...Hoping for convertor app or something like that. But there is already workaround with one touch setting. Hope it will be solved.



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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 10:24:19 PM »

Please push for that app as hard as you can... UPG import from a G70/E80/60/50 will help sell these things enormously.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2011, 10:37:47 PM »

I agree...it was one of the most important things that we pointed out.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2011, 03:23:32 AM »

Is it already known when we can buy the BK 7m?
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2011, 07:40:33 AM »

NAMM seemed to indicate April-ish...
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2011, 06:31:20 AM »

It seems MAP is $999.  If so we can probably find them 10 or 15 percent lower than that! 
Can't wait to try it even at MAP.
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2011, 11:47:07 PM »

I think one of these, sat on top of any of Hammond's current range, would be an unbeatable combination.
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