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Editor for Roland STL styles

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Editor for Roland STL styles #5887
Hi,

Does anyone have any freeware programs for editing STL styles?
I have only been able to find mention of one, in Romania, where I cannot sign onto their forum.

I do see that there is a commercial program available, but I just do not want to support people who have such severe copy protection schemes. They don't trust me, why should I trust them?!


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I'd say that your post gives them ample reason to not trust you!

If piracy didn't exist, copy protection would not be needed. It's not about them trusting YOU... It's about them not trusting EVERYBODY.

It only takes one.
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Editor for Roland STL styles #5889
Huh??

I am trying to find out about freeware programs, not bootlegs!
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It was your reasoning for not using the commercial product that got the response. If the only reason you don't want to use it is that it is copy protected, what does that say?
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vyto, the only 3rd party program I know of to edit Roland styles is EMC's StyleWorks XT. I have it. Honestly I've never used it to "edit" a Roland style. I bought it to convert my favorite Yamaha styles to Korg format, but I spent extra for the "universal" version just in case. Theoretically if you had a way to convert other styles to the Roland's format, you could use another brand's free editor and then convert.

Honestly I wonder how well StyleWorks would do with a Roland style. Yamaha, Korg, Ketron, and even Casio have many well-documented parameters that determine how the arranger will transpose the recorded pattern. If Roland has all of these parameters, they have NEVER been made public (and I've pored over every reference manual all the way back to the E-86, and even the PMA-5, which wasn't made by the arranger division.) Maybe the extra parameters aren't necessary in the majority of circumstances, because I find Roland styles highly playable, and they just plain sound good!

One parameter Roland did add are the Alteration Mode messages (which first appeared in G-70 OS ver. 2.) These have to be added as an event after the style is recorded. StyleWorks is a pretty "old" program and I doubt it can create these. If someone wants to get heavy into decompiling a .STL file and identifying the related SysEx, then maybe you could spoof an Alteration Mode message, and achieve the same result. Otherwise you would have to make the final edits on the board itself.

To that end, I also have a Roland E-50 which has the touch screen and operating system of the vaunted G-70 in a package that I can actually lift and move around. When I want to edit Roland styles, that's what I use. My edited E-series styles play fine on the BK-7m. Too bad the E-series were under-appreciated. They weren't marketed well and didn't sell, so not many were produced. Fortunately the BK-5 and E-A7 also have an on-board style composer, albeit without the touch screen. Since used BK-5's are common and pretty affordable on eBay, that's the route I would go if I were you. My $.02.
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Thanks! Yeah, it sounds like it might be more than I want to delve into. And I appreciate your pointing out that Roland styles are indeed undocumented, and it's not just that I've failed to look in the right place.
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Although more expensive, and as hard to find as hens teeth, a used BK-9 is also good for creating your own styles, with the full Roland style composer software on board.

What the BK-9 adds that you will not find even on the EA7 are the super natural voices, of which the guitars especially are absolutely stellar, and the VK Hammond organ section, quite possibly the best Hammond clone in an arranger. Not to mention synchronized audio loops, more MFX and far greater ease of operation because of the two screens. Add to that a superb feeling 76 note key bed and, if you can find one, you have IMHO the best arranger Roland ever made!
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