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Any midi experts out there? #6866
We are on semi lock down in Ireland, so I bought a set of electronic drums, www.thomann.de/ie/alesis_nitro_kit_mesh_kit.htm#bewertung .
If I plug a midi lead into the Drum Module and then into my Roland EA-7, I can hear the drums through the EA-7 speakers, but it's just the one Drum kit.
The Drum kits on the Alesis are fairly basic and the Drum sets on the EA-7 are way better, but I can not find a way to access them, while using the drum kit as a trigger.
I was wondering it anyone knew of a way to access the Roland Drum kits on the EA-7.
BTW, turning off everything but the drums on the Roland styles, gives you a top class metronome, even if you can not play the exact Roland drums, it's a great way to learn to keep time.
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Dave
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Any midi experts out there? #6867
Hi,

In the abscence of anyone else answering. I don't know anything aout E-A7 - or the drums and I may have misunderstood - so this may not help:-

BUT
- If you are hearing the drum kits own sound through the EA-7 speaker them it imples that you are hearing them through an audio link and not midi.

Here are ome obvious midi things to check:-

1) That the drums are sending on the same midi channel as the EA-7 expects to receive them. Typically drums are on midi channel 10. If not one of the 2 instruments need to to be changed so that they match.
2) That the drums are actually transmitting midi at all (there may be a software switch which stops this - so hunt around setup in the drums).
3) That the EA-7 has similarly been set to allow receipt of external midi (at all and specically on the drum channel).
4) Is the midi cable OK and also plugged into the correct midi ports.

I hope its of some use and that I have not misunderstood.

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Any midi experts out there? #6868
Actually, no... if you are hearing the EA7 through its speakers, you are NOT hearing the drum kit sounds, you are hearing the EA7’s drums.

But... what you are talking about is getting the drum kit module to change the EA7 kits, and that is more a function of the module, it has to send a program change (plus CC codes) to the EA7 to change the kit. You would need to inquire at the forum for the drum kit about how to do this...

There IS one other thing you can try, which would be to change the drum kit in the EA7 using the Makeup Tools to another kit and see if that changes the kit that you hear.

But this whole question is more properly sent to the Alexis Nitro forum, who will be able to explain to you more knowledgeably than we can how to set the Nitro up to send the correct MIDI PC change codes. It is rather likely at the moment that the Nitro is sending a basic code to the EA7 and setting it to one kit.

One other thing you MIGHT try is to look up what channel the ADRUM Part is receiving on, and set the Nitro to send on that channel, and then see if changing Performance changes the drum kit sound you are hearing...

Bottom line, you had better get a decent set of speakers for the EA7, as playing drums loud enough to hear over your sticks noise on the kit will not be good for those little built-in speakers!
3 weeks 4 days ago Last edit: 3 weeks 4 days ago by Diki.
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Any midi experts out there? #6869
Thanks for interest lads.
The drum and the EA-7 are both on midi channel 10, so that's ok.
The drum sound if fine through earphones and I have plenty amps to use.
I may have too much time on my hands at the moment and was wondering if I could use the Roland drums, (I am not even a drummer LOL).

"using the Makeup Tools to another kit and see if that changes the kit that you hear." I might try that.
As I said it's not really that important, but I like "experimenting".

Thanks to BJGee and Diki
Dave
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Any midi experts out there? #6871
Dave - You also don't indicate how experenced you are with midi - so its hard to judge whether we are stating the obvious...

Anyway - Just to confirm - what I said was that if you can hear the drum kits OWN sounds playing through the EA7 speakers then there is possibly an audio link (and the EA7 is effectively doing nothing) as there is no other way that I know of transferring those sound to the EA7 - sounds don't go down a midi cable. So is the audio of the drum kit connected to the EA7 via audio?

Its correct that you need program change messages and the like to change the sounds on the EA7 - but I would have expected there to be a defaut drum kit of some sort active in the EA7 - so PC etc - I would not have expected to be necessary in the first instance.

I'm still slightly confused as to where the headphones are plugged in...

Anyway if it was me and you have the facilities (midi interface) then I would try plugging the drum kit midi into a computer and see midi what the drum kit is actually sending.

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Any midi experts out there? #6872
BJ... the OP has never remarked that he hooked up audio into his EA7. In fact, he went out of his way to say he has them hooked up with MIDI. I think you are rather throwing in a red herring trying to imply some sort of audio connection. It might be best to concentrate on the MIDI aspects.

Bottom line, he needs to turn the audio off of his drum module if he hasn’t already (and I rather expect he has already done that). That way he’s sure that what he is hearing IS the EA7. What he may not realize is the Roland’s can have one kit for the style, and another for the MIDI input. What I rather expect is happening (I don’t have an EA7 to test this) is that the MIDI in is being routed to the Song section, and changing kits by changing styles isn’t actually effecting that section.

I’d recommend that he read the manuals (we have them here in our Manuals section if he doesn’t already have all three) carefully about how MIDI is routed to the different Parts. I anticipate this will clear up the issue. In fairness, he does seem a little new to all this, so I know it’s a bit confusing to start with. But a careful read of everything to do with MIDI Sets ought to explain it all.

When offering advice, it’s a good idea to not assume anything, lest you start down the wrong path and muddy the waters!
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Any midi experts out there? #6873
Thanks for the replies lads. I am no midi expert.
There is no audio connection to the EA-7, just a midi cable. A Diki mentions, the volume is turned down on
the Drum module and "Local" is turned off, so the only sound is triggered by the Drum module and must be using an EA-7 drum set.
As BJGee, suggests, this must be a default drum kit on the keyboard.
By the way, the earphones, (or amp), plug directly into the Drum module.
Trying to change the drumkit by using makeup Tools did not work, although a clever suggestion.
I might have another look at the manual and maybe try connecting to my pc, but I was just curious about the whole thing and playing the default
sound from the keyboard, gives my ears a rest from the earphones and is just the right volume not to annoy others.
Thanks for your interest lads, maybe if I spent more time practicing instead of "messing" about, I might improve.
Dave
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