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Any way to tell which tones will "retrigger" as part of a style?

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Any way to tell which tones will "retrigger" as part of a style? #6758
I've posted before lamenting the lack of a user-specified "retrigger" parameter in Roland's style engine. So what am I even talking about?

Let's say that a user style has a lengthy, sustained pad track. Maybe the pattern consists of whole notes tied together across multiple measures. The intent is that this style will be played rubato (like one of Yamaha's "freeplay" styles.) In order to achieve this effect, the arranger "hold" must be turned off. When you release the keys, the melodic style tracks fall silent. But what happens when you press the keys again at a point somewhere middle of the recorded pattern?

The answer seems to be, "it depends on the sound sample." From my own experimentation, some samples will retrigger even if you move just one finger to a new note while holding the rest of the chord. Others will retrigger only if you're careful to release and re-press all of the keys. And some won't retrigger at all, until the arranger reaches the end of the looped division, and starts again at measure 1 beat 1. (You can force this behavior by activating sync stop, but sometimes that's not desired.) Maybe someone can explain to me what's going on here, in terms of "Note On" and "Note Off" messages. I just don't understand why the behavior would differ based on the sample.

B3-type organ sounds seem to retrigger reliably. I guess this makes sense, since an electronic organ tone can be sustained indefinitely. And I've hardly had any success with bass guitar, harpsichord, etc. This makes sense too, because once the string is plucked, the sound will die off after a short time. But some tone families are inconsistent. On my E-50, the basic "Strings : " will reliably retrigger. "Contrabass" will not. The same is true with choirs--some will retrigger, some won't.

A couple of weeks ago thanks to posts by DonM and Fran I learned about "Capital Tones." It's apparent that others on this board know a lot more about Roland's sampled sounds through the years: GS, MT-32, Sound Canvas, etc. Other than trial-and-error, is there any way to tell from the numbers which tones will likely retrigger in the middle of the pattern, and which ones won't?

Finally, the E-A7... I'm not sure whether it allows user-edited sounds to be used in style tracks. But if someone has an E-A7 maybe they could try to add a user tone to an empty style track. Just a single note will do. Lengthen the gate time, so that the note sustains across several measures. Now turn off arranger "hold." Start the style and solo the edited track. Please tell me if releasing and re-pressing the chord causes the user sample to re-trigger on press. Thanks all!!
4 months 3 days ago Last edit: 4 months 3 days ago by TedS. Reason: Clarity.

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Any way to tell which tones will "retrigger" as part of a style? #6761
To my knowledge there has never been a Roland chart that details this, and I can’t remember a user putting one together.

Perhaps you have found a good Covid-19 home project? LOL
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Any way to tell which tones will "retrigger" as part of a style? #6763
Haha yes I started a list on pencil-and-paper. I'm using the E-50 instead of the BK-9 because its touch screen and numeric data entry option makes the workflow easier. I wonder what's going to happen when I play the user style in the BK-9, i.e., whether the on-board voices will behave the same way.

I'm hoping that someone who owns an E-A7 will try my experiment too. Maybe the additional parameters associated with user tones could be used to force a retrigger, even if the factory sample is lacking. This is of the great mysteries that's puzzled me for about 10 years. I'm pretty sure that someone on the development side could explain how this really works (and maybe even change it on the "Zen Core Arranger Module," or whatever comes next!)
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