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BK-9 for sale #6647
Hi everybody!

I was an active member in this forum and I’m back... mainly because I finally decided to sell my BK-9, hopefully to someone that will really appreciate it!

I retired for health reasons and had to downsize a lot, so the BK has to go. Works perfect, non-smoker home, intermittent use only.

It comes with a convenient pedalboard that includes a homemade FC-7, two DP-6 and a EV-5.

I live in greater Toronto area in Canada and wish to sell it as locally as possible. Still have the box if needed to ship it.

I ask only 1200 CAD, about half I paid for it.
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BK-9 for sale #6771
Sold!

Now I focus on my FP-80, with most BK-9 styles on a USB stick. It’s an undocumented function in owner’s manual I discovered on this forum.
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I guess you noticed in the piano’s specs that the styles are limited to two variations?
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Yes. The FP-80 has a good selection of 90 styles from the BK-9, based on variations 1 and 3. Basic commands like most arrangers with two variations.
Previous FP-7f had ridiculous session partner gadget and newer FP-90 styles are on an iPad app.
Styles on USB stick perform either very well or very bad; I use what works. Converted styles from other brands or older Roland generations freeze it.
It’s ok: it’s not designed for that. Anything that works is a bonus, until I sell it and get a Genos or a PSR SX-900, or something alike...
As mentioned often on this forum, Roland turned its back on arrangers, unless...?
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I never realized that Roland made style pianos. Does the FP-80 have an option for "bass inversion"? I.e., is there any way to force the bassline by playing "slash chords," or a note so many half steps below the chord?
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BK-9 for sale #6779
If an arranger with a piano action was what I was after, I think I would have simply bought a nice cheap 88 stage piano and MIDI’d it into the BK-9.

There’s too much stepping backwards for my taste comparing the sound list for the FP compared to the BK-9, even if you dismiss the myriad function differences. Two variations and two fills is a big step backwards from four and six. Ho many Intros? No chord sequencer is a huge step back. That’s one of the best features a pianist ever had. No mention of Pianist2 mode either (3 notes for a new chord sustain up, 5 with sustain down), which is a game changer for following typical piano playing.

But I hope the FP works out as sufficient for you. Finding another BK-9 might be difficult!
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BK-9 for sale #6780
TedS: when I play in full keyboard mode, it does bass inversion; in split mode, it plays bass as root with any inversion. Many digital pianos feature a certain amount of built-in styles, in proportion of the price tag... most with only bass-drums. Mine has a button to select that with easy bass and/or drums selection. By the way: it also features vocal harmony!

Diki: The BK-9 is fully loaded as a TOTL arranger, but the FP-80 is far from miserable! Its « arranger » capacities are one of the most advanced on that market. I rented a Yamaha P-515 for a day: not impressed! Also, the Supernatural piano sounds are way superior to the BK-9 that has four level piano sample (128 on the FP-80 ): I put both to the test. Piano designer also has many more parameters. Both are designed for a different purpose. I want to go more towards piano playing for now, even though I’m happy to be able to run BK rhythms on my toy, and the action is far better than any cheap 88 keys gadgets.

Thanks both for your replies,

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Does it do Pianist2 mode?
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It does, as much as I understand its definition:
Pianist 1: chords of at least 3 notes are recognized to play or change chords: does that.
Pianist 2: same as Pianist 1 while the hold pedal is not pressed; with pedal pressed, you can add complexity to the chord by pressing up to two notes: does that.

My test: hold pedal pressed, I entered a C major chord, then pressed the A key: C6 displayed. Then pressed the D key: C6 with 9 like an exponent, and no further keying effect. That’s in full keyboard mode, with extra keys pressed near where the chord was entered. If extra keys pressed far right, Pianist 2 is disabled, chord remains unchanged. If keys pressed far left, I get an Am7 ( same notes as C6, but not same bass line ) and with D, it gives Dsus 7,9... In split mode, the piano gets in Intelligent mode...

So, with these exceptions, I guess the Pianist 2 mode is useful only to record a backing track, unusable for normal performance.
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That’s not how Pianist2 works on the BK-9. For starters, it doesn’t matter where the extensions are played in your voicing (other than at the bottom, of course). Then you still have to be holding down the first chord as you add them to be getting a new chord with or without the sustain down. Or was that what you meant?

Then chord recognition mode can be set to any kind in split mode, and either or both sides of the split. But if you simply press the split button when first set to a pianist mode, yes it will revert to LH recognition, Intelligent mode. But that can be defeated with a Hold, I think.

But I’m glad it looks likely that Roland have started to use this in more than just the arranger line. If you do play pretty standard piano playing rather than a LH chord, RH melody approach, Pianist2 is the answer to a live player’s prayers. That you think this is just useful for creating a backing track is confusing. Are you actually a pianist?
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BK-9 for sale #6787
I was surprised to learn that Roland made a style piano. Unfortunately it looks like they dropped this suite of features on the successor model FP-90. :-( If they are determined to get out of the arranger game, they need to license their chord intelligence to another company!
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TBH, not sure if the chord fingering schemes are proprietary. Roland seems to have been able to copy Yamaha’s without any announcement of a tech agreement.

If other companies aren’t copying Roland’s, maybe it’s because they don’t think there’s enough demand to justify the coding effort?
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BK-9 for sale #6791
I have been considering adding an FP10 as a controller for the Prelude, and VST's (Zenology).

My source was out of stock, so I had the chance to re-think this option.. Maybe the G70 fills this need enough for me..
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For me, it’s the weight of the action that produces the most authentic playing. I grew up playing the piano, as did many of us (although arranger players do perhaps come from a more organ or accordion background than other keyboard players), and years of practice on an action of that weight, combined with the piano’s mechanical action, it has lead to a dynamic that plastic (even the superb G70 action) can’t really replicate.

There’s just so much more control, especially in that critical upper end, and for me one of the telltales of a piano played on a plastic action is how often the player seemingly at random spanks out a note that would have taken much more force to do deliberately on a piano!

If selecting an 88, I’d suggest a couple of days playing a real piano (a real good piano!) before you go try them. It’s easy to forget what they truly feel like, let alone sound like!
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Diki:
I wish I could say I’m a pianist... I started playing piano when I was just seven, got bored of those lessons... but it was a player piano, with paper rolls ( ancestor of MIDI files ) and I found exciting to try following the keys! Later, I got into accordion lessons: better, but really got serious when my father challenged me to play by ear 100 musical pieces to get me an electronic organ ( ancestor of arranger keyboards ) all that to say that it really worked, and that lead eventually to a Roland E-70 and later the BK-9...
But I enjoyed most my centennial upright, because of its real resonance, that I almost recreated on the FP-80 by tweaking the Piano Designer parameters...

If you search “FP-80 chords” on YouTube, you’ll see how its rhythms react to the way it’s played, and that most basic demonstrators just hold a chord on LH or more skilled musicians play full chords with RH to play a bass of their choice with LH.

Unlike a real arranger, the type of chord recognition is not selectable on the FP-80, as far as I know. For my tests, I’ve set the chord hold on, so that’s why I just added a note at a time. I’m sure the BK-9 has a more definite chord recognition the user can program as needed. I think Roland designed that instrument for ease of playing in full keyboard mode, but keeping in mind some techniques so that the bass line sounds proper...
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