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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode

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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6613
Hi. I've bought 2nd hand Roland E-80 Arranger. I've been browsing to find Lower / Upper Octave Mode in vain. It's a Major Lack such a great arranger, if it hasn't it.
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6615
There should be some arrows near the middle of the touch screen, right above the display of selected voices. I guess you have to touch the voice first, or select it by using one of the "part select" buttons on the panel. Yes except for the enormous weight and bulk, E-80 is a great arranger!
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6616
Hi TedS. Yes there are up and down arrows. I tested them, it's not easy way to use. I've KORG Pa800, it has separate buttons for up and down and transpose. I value this " easy to use these on fly". I wonder, why Roland engineers didn't add up and down buttons on panel too, there are room enough. it's Major Lack anyway
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6618
'On the fly' is becoming harder and harder to implement without a huge plethora of buttons festooning the front panel of modern arrangers. As arrangers have become massively more capable, and massively more complex, things like octave up/down buttons for each individual Part start to take a ton of real estate compared to arrangers that had fewer Keyboard and Style Parts.

There comes a time when using Performances to perform complex tasks becomes easier than having to search out six octave up/down buttons (you want to have separate control for each lower Part, don't you, in case you only want to change one of them?) and six more for the Uppers... in a sea of buttons!

It is a shift in thinking that comes hard for those of us who have been used to on the fly everything from the old days. But in the old days, there was far fewer things to choose from... Now we have thousands of sounds, hundreds (thousands!) of styles, hundreds of effect choices, hundreds of insert effect choices, six Keyboard parts (compared to two or three in the early days!), it all becomes overwhelming. Yes, you COULD have a button for everything... But buttons are a) expensive and b) take up room. A button for everything anyone could possibly want (one man wants octave buttons, another wants VH controls, another wants effects on/offs, etc.!) and the next thing the damn thing starts to look like the cockpit of a commercial jet!

So, in future, try using the UPG's (Performances) to have adjacent setups with nothing changed but the particular parameter you want to adjust (that way, no matter what it is, it is doable), and if still unable to completely free yourself from old school on the fly, you can use Parameter Hold to keep selected Tones, Styles and tempos etc. where you have them while you select different UPG's to do the stuff you want.

For me, the gain in possibilities outweighs the negatives in the lack of a button for 'everything', so I eventually got used to using UPG/Performances for every song I want to do AND every change within the song. I will use one Performance for the Intro, another for the verse, another for the solos, whatever the song needs. That way, I am pressing ONE button (Performance Up/Down on BK's, or select UPG's from touch screen on G/E series) to do a multiple of things when needed, or just ONE thing if needed and there's no panel button for it. Rather than hunting for the right button in a sea of buttons!

Try it... I think, once used to it, you will find yourself, like me, going 'This is so much easier than it used to be!'.

BTW, if you have an FC7 for your E80, Performance Up/Down is one of the choices. This allows you to do basically ANYTHING hands free while you concentrate on simply playing rather than having to find that ONE button in a sea of other buttons that may very well have a disaster waiting to happen if you miss the right one!
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6620
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6622
I understand, and for pros who play "sets" I absolutely agree [that User Programs, aka registrations, are the way to go.]

But as a hobbyist who likes to noodle around and be inspired, even surprised sometimes, I agree that a dedicated "Upper Octave +/-" as on the Korg would be useful.

Apparently Roland sort of did, too, because they added a dedicated "Octave" button to the BK's. Granted you still have to press Inc / Dec, but I like this better than the touch screen. I think I have some of that Bruce Willis Sixth Sense thing going on, or a weak aura. Touch screen devices RARELY respond for me the first time, and that includes the E-50. Getting off-topic, but do the E/G series have some kind of calibration process for the screen? Didn't see THAT in the manual!
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6624
Proper calibration needs a touch pen, but I think any stylus designed for modern smartphones etc, should work (it has to be conductive, I guess).

Here is the touch screen calibration routine from the official service notes...

Personally, I never had an issue with the G70's screen, being FAR more responsive than Korg's (I've tried PA3X and PA4X and Kronos, etc.) and Yamaha's (not tried SX900/Genos, but have tried Motif's). But I know that some people have poor skin capacitance, and often have difficulty with some types of touchscreens. Sorry you are one. To be honest, the calibration routines don't seem to be much to do with sensitivity, more positional...

Perhaps try letting your finger linger on the button a tad more, maybe you are not giving it enough time to read..? You might also try and ensure that you aren't tapping it more with a nail than the pad of your finger. A nail won't register.
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6633
Calibrating Roland E-80 touch screen doesn't work with G70 way.
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6635
My bad... here's the E80 instructions.

As always, do these tests at your own risk. TBH, it doesn't sound like a problem that the calibration addresses, that appears to be primarily positional.

Before becoming worried about the issue, or wanting to try the calibration routine, it might be worth trying to see if you can try someone else's G70/E80, and see if their's is any better, or you simply are having trouble placing your fingers correctly...
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Roland E-80 Lower / Upper Octave Mode #6673
Thanks for advise, case is closed.
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