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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS!

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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6597
I am having an issue on some styles on the left hand rhythms, that the bass note will not play when I play the same cord consectively. When I strike the same cord multiple times the bass doesn't play till I play a different cord. It will play the first time I strike the cord, but like I said previously, it won't play repeatedly.

Appreciate any thoughts on this.

ISSUE solved.
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6598
Solved my issue. Thanks for being able to post if necessary.

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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6600
For the benefit of others- what was the issue? How did you solve it?? Thanks!
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6602
Just a thought, but perhaps it is due to the rhythm of the style? If the baseline has a two beat note as its first note, if you play the chord again on the second beat, it will not re-trigger the note.

This is why it is important to find styles with the correct syncopation in the bass when trying to cover songs. Ask for a chord change at the syncopation point when there isn’t one in the style and you simply get a glitchy jump rather than a new note.
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6603
I'm really hoping that @Ruthie (the original poster) will respond.

Way back circa 2010 I remember messing with the Roland Prelude. I believe that with the v2 firmware, they forced a retrigger of the bass with every chord change. There is this cryptic comment at the bottom of p.3 of the V2 supplementary manual:
"The Style player’s feel and its response to chord changes have been refined to provide an even more satisfying musical experience."
The Prelude came after the G-70 and it's E-series brethren. So it's possible that the G-70 does not retrigger the bass sound with every played chord, if the bass note doesn't change.

Diki from previous discussions I think we've determined that the retrigger behavior depends in part on the sound sample selected. It's possible that OP solved his or her problem by substituting a different bass sound. Depending on the programmed pattern, you might be able to force a retrigger by activating sync stop, which restarts the style pattern at Measure 1 Beat 1 every time the chord is released. But this is an ugly solution, like using a crowbar to open a can of tuna.

Still eagerly following this thread!
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6604
Hi, TedS & Diki,

I answered this but don't know where it went so here I go. Boils down to that I would hit the ARR button lite on, hit the 1st instrument button for right hand instruments and ARR lite would go off. That's not good, I thought, so I would hit the 1st instrument button again and the ARR lite would go off and the 1st instrument button would lite up. So I would continue to set up my song and save it to my card. That's when I realized the bass note wouldn't play if I hit the same chord multiple times. So I started over and hit the ARR button and proceeded to setup my song to record without hitting the 1st instrument button and finished all 4 instrument buttons with different instruments, saved it and the bass played each time no matter how many times I hit the same cord consecutively. Hope after reading your responses that this was the issue. Will get back after a week or so, unless it happens again, and report on my success or failure. Thanks again for your responses
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6700
Well, gentlemen, it happened again. It is in 8 beat category, love beat is the rhythm. After recording another song I went to use the love Beat rhythm and the same thing happened. Couldn't hit the same chord more than once and the bass note in the left hand wouldn't play. So, this time I turned the keyboard off and on again and the rhythm played correctly. Sounds like an inside problem. But would be open again for any suggestions. Seems like maybe too I've programmed something wrong in my setup to make this happened. It's just seems unusual it would start doing this all of a sudden. I am not computer whiz by any means, but have not tinkered with anything on the upper top of the right side of the keyboard. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. The key was in 4-4 timing and when I turned the keyboard off and on again, it played just fine. Thanks again for any thoughts.
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6701
Ruthie,
First, if the problem really isn't solved, you should probably change the title of the thread.

Wild guess here... The G70 has sliders, which in some configurations can control the volume of various tracks, including the bass. In a lot of implementations, you have to move a slider through its current set point to get it to "register." Or just move it all the way up, all the way down, and back to the middle. The next time you encounter the issue of the bass not triggering, try re-initializing the slider that corresponds to the Bass track, and see if doing so has any effect. Maybe a crazy hunch, but you have nothing to lose.

You could also try activating sync stop. You might not be able to record that way, but if sync stop is active, all style tracks should restart at measure 1, beat 1 every time you release the keys. Most styles trigger the bass note on beat 1, so you should hear something when you release and press the keys. This may not solve your problem but it might help you troubleshoot and eliminate certain things.
My $.02. Keep us posted!
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6703
Probably the first thing I’d check if you are recording to a computer is any pass through of MIDI from the input to the output. Have you checked whether this behavior occurs without it going to the PC? Alternatively, have you tried disconnecting from the PC and simply using the Recorder to do the initial style ’capture’? Does the problem still exist?

If this issue only occurs while hooking up to a PC, the likeliest culprit is some kind of MIDI loop. If you are using MIDI cables, the easiest way to guarantee no loopback is simply disconnect the MIDI In cable. Problem solved! But if using USB, not possible because it is just one cable. You’ll have to go to the MIDI settings in your DAW for that. Pay particular attention to making sure no sysex gets passed through...

In truth, I never felt I got satisfactory results trying to record an entire style to a computer, and always used the Recorder to do the job, then transferred the file to the computer afterwards. It always felt tighter, and all events were on the tick you expected them on, and sysex didn’t get mixed in with regular data.

But this may not be your issue (if I even really understand the issue), and maybe it does boil down to what sound is used, or internal codes in the style we cannot edit. But all may not be lost...

Have you considered simply editing the bass Part in the DAW after the capture? Or even playing a whole bassline yourself? I keep saying that basslines in arrangers are probably one of the biggest divergences from real musicians. Real basslines go somewhere, they ‘lead’ the changes, they walk towards the next chord, or usually do something to head towards that destination. An arranger never knows the next chord until you actually play it, by which time it’s too late!

Most of my style captures, I would either completely re-play the bassline and add the movement, or at least edit in the ‘walks’. And if you are having unsolvable problems with the bass not repeating the chord where you want, why not simply add in the extra notes afterwards in the DAW?

Maybe it’s better to take the expedient solution than bang your head against the OS or style and sound, and ‘fix it in the mix’?!
3 months 1 week ago Last edit: 3 months 1 week ago by Diki.
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6713
Diki, I'm using a Tascam to record and not going thru my computer. When I turned off the keyboard after recording a previous song and having the next setup not play the same chord multiple times , it would go back to normal. Do use the sliders but sometimes I hit the bass volume tab and reset the sound by turning the knob instead of using the slide. I have run the slider up and down most of the time to reset the volume. I'm going to recheck the sliders b/c I use only the first 6 sliders and there's two others below those. Other thing I'm thinking is since checking yesterday on other rhythms, they're all doing it, to go back to the default setting. Of course, I have the CD to reinstall the upgrade. I have everything I've recorded on a card and what's in the internal that I most probably did b/c I didn't know how to use the keyboard, is nothing I ever use. Anyway, today will look to see what those last 2 sliders are for and let u know and go from there. What a mess. I just feel I've done something wrong along the way to cause this. Will have to read about the sync ur talking about too. Thanks again, TedS and u, Diki. Tried to change topic but the edit I found would not change the topic???
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6714
No problem. You might try my suggestions, though, especially about using a DAW to edit your performance, then add vocals or solos later, once the backing is perfect. You’ll get a far more ‘pro’ end result using the techniques that the pros actually use!

I know a lot of arranger players get very focused on doing everything live, but often get frustrated at how it rarely compares well to pro recordings. And often end up playing it ‘safe’ to ensure a mistake free performance... Recording the backing first and knocking off any rough spots before you add the solos or vocals allows you to FULLY concentrate on allowing your performance to shine, plus gives you the freedom to play voicings and chords that might freak out the chord recognition (passing chords, dissonance, chord extensions etc.), or to play full normal two handed piano style, or freely use the bender without consideration to playing the chords at the same time (probably the main reasons I generally avoid style mode when gigging).

Recording MIDI first and editing rather than going immediately to audio opens up your creativity rather than restricting it!

Plus gives you options when unexpected things happen like you are having. So many other options as well... Like the guitars in one style but the horns in another? Record the backing twice, and mix and match the Parts. Want to add a hair of swing factor to a style that is straight? Easy. Running into polyphony issues using layered sounds? Once the backing is recorded as audio, all polyphony gets freed up for the live Parts. Have a VSTi percussion loop that would add some realism over the arranger’s percussion? Easy...

There’s a lot to be said for a simple stereo audio recording of live playing. It’s a great way to objectively listen to yourself and check for balance between backing and played parts (arranger players are notorious for having the solo sounds way too loud!) and vocal balance, EQ and reverb/echo balance. But arranger live playing is incredibly restrictive compared to normal keyboard playing. The tyranny of having to tie up the LH constantly playing the changes utterly destroys normal two handed technique and makes using benders almost impossible. If you are recording for any reason other than a quick objective check of how you sound without the distraction of playing at the same time, recording the backing first and THEN adding the solos vocals and replacing or editing any less than inspiring arranger parts will give you a massive step forward in end results..!
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6715
Diki, what I'm doing is recording songs thru the keyboard. I don't know what DAW means but here is how I'm doing it. But before I continue, 2 days ago, I played the keyboard for 2 hours and not one time did I have that problem. I changed sounds, recorded one or two, and it would not leave the base off. Yesterday, the same thing. I don't use voice. I only have a pedal (l don't even use), my roland earphones and the Tascam hooked up to my keyboard. Anyway, I really don't know anything about the left side except when we did gigs and my husband played guitar and sang. Used roland speakers. When I record my songs, this is how I do it after changing instruments and balance the rt and lt sound exactly like u suggested but maybe I didn't sometimes slide the sound sliders up and down but I am for sure now:
1. Go to Style Make Up Tools -save it and name it
2. Go to Disk & Media find the name hit the name
3. Go to User Program hitting set list, hit write pick a spot, name it, I use book no. the song is in, page no. and name of song and it saves it to my card. I only use external for saving songs.

Sometimes use Assign Switch which is set on keyboard exch up 2/1 on no. 1 and arr hold on no. 2.

Then I prepare the Tascam to record. I record my song on keybd, and then hit play and record button on tascam simultaneously.

This is not playing live only me in my room, playing, recording and sending CDs to my brother.

Been doing this the same way for years. Anyhow, like I said previously, when it did lose the base MSB, I would shut down the keyboard, turn it back on and it was ok. And it seems like it would happened after setting up a rhythm to play a certain song with going thru the above procedures. Now, it's not doing it so I'm at a loss since I'm not anywhere near experienced or ever will be as u are.

I can forget the arranger and just play as a piano but I would rather just turn it off and on if need be. But, I will definitely let u know if it does it today. It's so weird. Thanks so much for putting so much time in this. I just wish I knew the system better to understand all ur talking about. Anyway, thanks again.
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Ruthie, I'm guessing the Tascam is an audio recorder? A DAW is a digital audio workstation, so a program for a computer like Cubase, Reaper, Sonor etc.. It is essentially a combination MIDI sequencer and audio recorder. But because it's in a computer, it is MUCH easier to edit with than any hardware sequencer/audio recorder or the built-in sequencer in the arranger.

From the intermittent nature of your problem, I'd check whether any of the sliders are jumping around a bit in their values, or whether any switches are intermittent, or if you have anything connected to the Control or FC-7 inputs and may be accidentally sending stuff you don't want.

If you ever get a chance to pick up a used BK9 or other BK series, if you can play decent piano it adds a mode called Pianist2 chord recognition, which (like Pianist Mode in the G70) won't trigger a new chord until you play at least three notes, but the added wrinkle is that is won't trigger a new chord WHILE THE SUSTAIN PEDAL IS DOWN until you play five notes..! This makes it far-easier to play pretty normal two handed piano just like a real pianist without freaking out the chord recognition so much. It is an absolute game changer... I have never been able to play so 'normally' before without weird chords popping up in the backing. But Pianist2 mode does an amazing job of following your intentions while you play pretty straightforward pianistically.

AFAIK, no other arranger from any other manufacturer has this extra feature, and if you can play pretty decently it puts the BK series head and shoulders above the rest backing normal piano playing. I am surprised no-one has yet copied it. It's amazing!
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G-70 Roland Issue on Bass Not Playing SOLVED ISSUE ON MY OWN. THANKS! #6718
Ketron has similar feature.
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Actually, Ketron's system is a bit different. Engaging the sustain pedal 'freezes' the chord no matter how many notes you play during it.

I've never even SEEN a Ketron, let alone played one (there's never been a Ketron dealer within 500 miles of where I live!), so I'm unsure if this would be an improvement or not, but it's a big step up from the basic '3 notes before a change' system that Yamaha and Korg still use.
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