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Problem saving Favorites with effects on EA7

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Problem saving Favorites with effects on EA7 #6563
Actually, under the World group of sounds, in Eastern European banks, there are editable electric guitars, but I still don't understand how to save them with the effects I want and have the effects remain in place under all circumstances. They don't make it easy to learn this stuff.
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Don after looking at the tone list, a lot of the editable tones are in the World section. There are a few guitars in there. Still eagerly watching and hoping you figure this out!!
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TedS wrote: Don after looking at the tone list, a lot of the editable tones are in the World section. There are a few guitars in there. Still eagerly watching and hoping you figure this out!!

Yes, I found them and I'm able to edit them, but have not figured out how to save effects with them. Hoping to work it out.
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The problem with editable sounds, at least as far as the G/E and BK series, is that the system using Performances and ‘Hold’ to select them is too cumbersome to use on stage, because in general you need ‘Hold’ to be off most of the time. And turning it off and on is an exercise in menu diving too slow to be effective.

However, for storing a bunch of edited Tones to call up when you are preparing a Performance in the first place, it can be used, with a few caveats. Firstly, the Tone needs to be in the Keyboard Part that you want it, so in practice it’s best left to UPR1 or you will have to duplicate all your work for each Keyboard Part. There’s no way to copy the Tone and its edits to other Parts. I think the EA7’s system is better here.

Secondly, you have to be VERY careful once you copy in the Tone to make sure your ‘Hold’ parameter is set correctly to avoid wiping out the edited Tone if you load anything else in! Here is one place that saving your work as you progress is a VERY good idea! But you already do that habitually, don’t you?!!! (Hint hint!)

To be honest, I never really spent the time to use this system because of the flaws, and more worked from a system where I thought REALLY long and hard about what sounds I wanted to use as the FIRST step in preparing a Performance, then hunted through my already created setups for the main edited sound I wanted, load that, then replace the style/SMF/MP3 with the one I wanted for the new song. After hundreds of songs I have prepared, it’s not to hard to think of one with even most of the sounds I tend to use, with all their edits and effects already dialed in.

Roland never really tried to go down the Korg PA series route, seemingly understanding that the vast majority of their customers didn’t want the complexity that comes with the Korg’s. And they also basically painted themselves into a corner where the OS couldn’t easily cope with edited Tones with associated effects. It’s a bit swings and roundabouts... I have worked with Korg’s, and even I sometimes get overwhelmed by all the options and their very limited insert effects architecture (even an old BK-9 puts the PA4X to shame when it comes to MFX!).

The EA7’s baby steps are an improvement, but it seems such a halfhearted step when they should know how much a FULL user edited Tone storage is needed. And given the suspension of new models (four years and counting now, isn’t it?), who honestly thinks things will improve?

Roland seem mired in 90’s mindsets in their arranger workflow. Arrangers are for amateurs who like the convenience of simple ROM sound selection. And no amount of additional capability of the basic sound engine ever made them completely rethink that.

For the want of a nail...
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Thanks Diki, I agree.
I'm not unhappy with the EA7 the way it is, just trying to make it better, and obviously trying to make it do something it either can't or doesn't want to do.
I sold my Korg PA4X, so it's the only arranger I have at this time. I have some time off work, damn it, so just working with the kb a little.
I will probably end up editing more of my UPGs. Most of them already are set up pretty well, but I'd like a little more flexibility in calling up sounds on the fly.
If I can't get it right, I may consider adding a tone module of some sort.
Meanwhile, I can certainly use it the way it is!
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Don select searing EG, and edit the partials.. most are the same tones left and right, so basically you are layering two tones..It is pretty easy to get the sound (tones) you want.. then add the effects including MFX.. I would try this before buying third party.. they are doing the same edits. You can also sample a guitar sound and use it as a partial.. You can sample the warm drive and use it as a partial.. There are no limits.. Then save as a user tone and also as a favorite.
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I MAY have figured out my problem. I'm too tired to test it more tonight, but it has to do with a setting under Global that allows the EA7 to automatically assign effects and e.q.s to Right 1 sound when it is called up. More to come.
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If you are referring to the MFX Link parameter, it’s a double edged sword. If you do sometimes simply select the ROM sounds, if you turn it off to be able to select edited tones and effects without loading the default MFX, you will have to remember to turn it back on again afterwards. And it’s buried down a few levels in the menu system (at least it is on the BK’s), so not quick to get to in a hurry. It’s OK at home, but remember to turn it back on before a gig or you will have some nasty surprises when the Tone gets loaded but the MFX/EQ isn’t.

The truth is, now that arrangers are blessed with thousands of sounds, multiple insert and send effect options with hundreds of different effects, and hundreds if not thousands of styles, the old school approach of wanting to grab stuff on the fly is simply too unwieldy to work. Pre-preparing your Performances is really a sad fact of life, the price we paid for the massive content and amazing sound possibilities we now have.

Personally, it’s a price I’m more than willing to pay. I wouldn’t want to go back to an arranger that WAS simple enough to run on the fly!

If you have some downtime, it might be spent well making template Performances with all your favorite sounds, effects, edits and EQ’s, and save them to a Performance List specifically for this. Copy in Performances from other Lists that already have useful setups, and rename them with the name of the sounds if the song title won’t easily jog your memory as to what they are. Then when working on new tunes, select one of these as a starting point, and 90% of the grunt work is already done...
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Diki wrote: If you are referring to the MFX Link parameter, it’s a double edged sword. If you do sometimes simply select the ROM sounds, if you turn it off to be able to select edited tones and effects without loading the default MFX, you will have to remember to turn it back on again afterwards. And it’s buried down a few levels in the menu system (at least it is on the BK’s), so not quick to get to in a hurry. It’s OK at home, but remember to turn it back on before a gig or you will have some nasty surprises when the Tone gets loaded but the MFX/EQ isn’t.

The truth is, now that arrangers are blessed with thousands of sounds, multiple insert and send effect options with hundreds of different effects, and hundreds if not thousands of styles, the old school approach of wanting to grab stuff on the fly is simply too unwieldy to work. Pre-preparing your Performances is really a sad fact of life, the price we paid for the massive content and amazing sound possibilities we now have.

Personally, it’s a price I’m more than willing to pay. I wouldn’t want to go back to an arranger that WAS simple enough to run on the fly!

If you have some downtime, it might be spent well making template Performances with all your favorite sounds, effects, edits and EQ’s, and save them to a Performance List specifically for this. Copy in Performances from other Lists that already have useful setups, and rename them with the name of the sounds if the song title won’t easily jog your memory as to what they are. Then when working on new tunes, select one of these as a starting point, and 90% of the grunt work is already done...

Thanks, that's the way I've always done it, but just thought there might be a better way. Probably not!
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Problem saving Favorites with effects on EA7 #6572
Since turning off that switch that automatically assigns e.q. and effects, I am fairly happy with the way things work.
My Favorites are called up with the effects which I assigned to them, as are all User Programs and OTS. If you don't turn off the OTS before calling up another sound, the OTS effects are retained though. No big deal once you know that.
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If I remember rightly, the EA7 allows you to store.Global files. Maybe it would be faster to reload the global rather than dive down to the Hold menu to reenable the MFX Link? If you’re in a hurry, that is...

If you can name them, it might be nice to have a LinkOn and a LinkOff Global file ready to go.
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Will check it out. Thanks.
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