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EA7 footswitch #6508
Greetings from Ireland.
On my old G1000, I used to be able to call up the 4 variations from two foot pedal, (original to advanced), and aftertouch on the keys, (basic advanced).
This was very useful, as my hands never left the keys.
I now have an EA7 and you can only use a footpedal for one option, e.g. move to vatiation 2.
I was thinking of wiring the 4 variation buttons to a din socket inserted into the back of the cover and then a din lead feeding 4 footpedals.
Anybody have any views on this.? I have never opened up the EA7, but would it be possible ? or am I mad ?
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EA7 footswitch #6509
It sounds like you're proposing to wire the DIN socket in parallel with the existing panel switches. The theory is sound, but if you're not careful with soldering, etc., you'll ruin the board. You'll also inevitably reduce its resale value. Have you ever done a project like this before? How good are you at soldering to a PC board?

I would consider a different approach using MIDI. I'm assuming that the EA7 will accept a MIDI message to select a specific style variation. So you can achieve your goal with a programmable MIDI foot controller like the MFC-10. Alternately, you could use two MIDI solutions Footswitch controllers and four individual footswitches (probably attached to a metal plate to keep them from wandering apart in the heat of battle.) My $.02
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I was thinking of getting the soldering done professionally.
Your midi suggestion is interesting. Alas I know next to nothing about midi, my harmoniser works off midi out, but that's my limit.
Will have to look into that.
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Unless you have a genius techie on speed-dial, I think I would advise against trying to hot-wire the front panel switches. There's a lot of potential harm you may end up doing if things go wrong (grounding issues, potential damage to the PCB's, warranty negation etc.).

The suggestion for a MIDI solution seems the best one. Each Division of a Style (including individual fills and Intro/Endings) can be called up with a simple MIDI PC/32/00 code so you actually gain more control than you get from the front panel! This page may give you an idea of the choices available and costs (remember, you are saving yourself quite a hefty sum by not paying a technician to totally rewire your EA-7, so factor that in!).

You might also take a look around at used MIDI pedals, as they often come up from people who bought one and found them too complicated!

The Behringer is a well established but not that user friendly pedal. Although more than four switches, bear in mind that more is better! There are some great things you can do like Leslie Fast/Slow, Break Fill, Part On/Off, MFX On/Off, all kinds of things!. What you WON'T be able to do is an Variation Up/Down, as the MIDI system only has commands for specific Divisions, not a MIDI command for 'Next' or 'Up/Down'.

However, if a techie tells you he CAN wire the switches to a DIN plug, I seriously recommend he does it to the Assign Switches 1-7 rather than the Variation buttons. For starters, you get seven. Secondly, they are programmable per Performance (I think). Thirdly, the choices are vastly bigger, including the basic Var 1-4 that you want.

To be candid, the Assign Sw 1-7 was simply Roland's way of using the code they already had worked out for the FC-7 footswitch controller without the expense of adding the actual DIN plug on the back panel (inputs are expensive, and the FC-7 was discontinued). But the choices are very similar, and you can still find the occasional used one on eBay or have the techie build one.

For hands-free arranger play, four F/S's quickly becomes restrictive, but the additional three allow things like Bass Inv On/Off, Break, Ending, etc. (p21 of the Reference Manual details all your choices). TBH, they ARE more extensive than can be achieved by MIDI, but there are some things you can do with MIDI you can't with an FC7. Swings and roundabouts...

If your techie is HIGHLY competent and tells you he can do it, I might go the Assign SW reroute path if you don't mind voiding your warranty. If not, I'd suggest a MIDI pedal.

Or you could just look for a used BK-9 (that had the FC7 input)!
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Thanks for reply, would this do the job ?

www.thomann.de/ie/behringer_fcb_1010.htm
or this
www.thomann.de/ie/tech_21_midi_mongoose_b_stock.htm

bearing in mind that I do not know a lot about midi, would they be easy to program ?
Thanks
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Diki wrote: Each Division of a Style (including individual fills and Intro/Endings) can be called up with a simple MIDI PC/32/00 code


Diki can you please help me find where this is in the manual? I downloaded everything I could find for the E-A7 including the MIDI implementation addendum, and didn't see where these codes are spelled out. I don't even care if it's part of the manual for a different (older) Roland keyboard, I would just like to have a complete reference. Thanks!!
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p.90 in the BK-7m_e2.pdf in our Manuals section has the PC codes for Division change. These aren’t listed in any other BK manual, but AFAIK work for all BK’s. I have no direct knowledge whether these work for the EA7, but seeing as how Roland have been using the same codes for decades, I think it’s highly likely that they will work.
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daphil wrote: Thanks for reply, would this do the job ?

www.thomann.de/ie/behringer_fcb_1010.htm
or this
www.thomann.de/ie/tech_21_midi_mongoose_b_stock.htm

bearing in mind that I do not know a lot about midi, would they be easy to program ?
Thanks
Dave


The Behringer should do nicely, if you can deal with such a big pedalboard at your feet. The problem is that basically NOTHING is ‘easy’ when it comes to programming remote controllers, but patience, careful reading of the manual, and maybe some careful questions at Behringer’s forums might get you the right help.

I’ve never used one (had a guitarist with one but never programmed on it) but I’m pretty sure it can be set up to send the correct codes. But ‘easy’ they are not!
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EA7 footswitch #6519
Hi Folks,
I had a FCB 1010 foot pedal delivered today, but I am struggling badly with it. Does anyone here have the pedal, (or any pedal connected to the EA-7 and does anybody know the programme changes code for same.
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Dave
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As I mentioned, perhaps posting at Behringer's forum might get you more experienced replies than here...?
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I now have the 4 divisions working though not on the exact pedals I wanted.
It's a steep learning curve, will check out Behringer forums,
Thanks from Ireland
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I would suggest the top level switches to do stuff that is potentially song wrecking (stop/start, break, mutes etc.) so that you don’t accidentally trigger them while making Variation changes. AFAIK, each switch can be programmed to do any function, so layout is entirely in your hands...
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EA7 footswitch #6525
I believe these are all basic Gm2 midi cc32 codes No roland sys exlusive codes
so you can take gm2 cc32 list to find the correct commands for programing,
Find the ea7 general syst channel in the manual mostly it's chnl 11 to send start, stop,fill-ins codes too
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EA7 footswitch #6527
Back again and first phase done, but could anyone tell me if the setting,
"arranger chord off"
is a midi setting. It stops everything but the drums, (and lower if activated).
I can set this from the EA-7 foot pedal imput, using a separate footswitch, but I was wondering if it can be done by the FCB 1010.
Thanks again,
Dave
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EA7 footswitch #6528
If it can’t (I don’t think it can be on a BK-9) you can mute Parts using sysex. If you create a sysex string that mutes the Parts you want, I think you can program the FB to send that. If this works, you then have the option of having more than one set of Parts to mute, allowing say a drop to bass only, or mute bass and drums, or things like that.

The only problem I can see with this is that I don’t think the FB can be programmed to send different sysex on alternative presses, so you would have to program a second switch to turn back on those you just muted. If just the one set of mutes, no big deal, but if you want two or three, you will need four or six switches (to turn them back on). Even 10 switches runs out quickly like that! Admittedly, if all you want to do is restore to all Parts on, you would just need the one.

There’s also another method, perhaps simpler but with with a different drawback... use the switches to send CC11 (expression) values of zero to the Parts you want to mute. They aren’t strictly muted, just silenced, so they still use polyphony but the effect is the same. The only issue here is whether the FB can send multiple messages from one f/s. If not, each Part may have to have its own switch. Not ideal!

In the end, using the Control input for a different footpedal rather than the FB may turn out to be your best option because, unless the FB allows multiple messages per switch, it seems likely that it may need multiple switches to achieve what one can with the EA7.
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