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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6417
As it was last year just before the winter namm (16-1-2020) Roland start roll-out there first new products for the year 2020.

But first news..... the MIDI Assiosiation come out with there new extended Midi2.0 finaly after al these years no-update

Midi not only extend there midi range it also brings standaard for real audio controle and data transfer.

*Note the USB-C will be the new standaard for connecting our instruments and pc/tablet/smartphone studio device's and music software.
One thing about usb-c it can connect device's without the need of a host-Computer !! Usb-c also support usb-midi, realaudio streaming, data-transfer and a lot more al at the same time and one other thing about USB-C... it can be powerd up-to 25volts

Midi2.0 will support host functie for midi-usb to midi-usb device's.

However many manufactors as Yamaha,Korg,Dexibel have allready create there own protocol voor usb-midi and realaudio transfer

Roland NEws:
1e we already now the new FANTOM (no-longer rolandaudio ROM-chip sounds so NO SUPER-NATURAL sounds) But its called a ZEN-core prossesor a PCM to WAVE AUDIOINTERFACE (PCM synht sound remeber the XV5080)
See roland cloud for al there soft Synths the have create in the past 2 years (roland-sonic-sounds) and other Apps it's logic that The NeW FANTOM is more a PC based VST player. for the roland-sonic-sounds

2e just now a New MASTER KEYBOARD the A88-mkII and yes USB-C and MIDI2.0 ready
PHA-4 keyboard,Three customizable zones, onboard arpeggiator, and chord memory and nice IOS and windows editor apps

3e GO:livecast

4e ??? i bet there will be more coming


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1 month 2 weeks ago Last edit: 1 month 2 weeks ago by Ronald#Roland.
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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6424
Just released

nr 4. RD-88 stage piano..........2x new developed SN piano sounds (piano/e.piano) onboard
and over 3000 sounds on ZEN-CORE.
PHA-4 keybed 3-zones/parts internal or external with IOS app
ritme pattern and song player

no usb-C and no midi2.0 ready SIlly!!
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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6425
5e... O i missed the jupiter-X !!!!
also a zen-core engine..... great machine
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No pro or prosumer arrangers...

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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6427
ZZZZZzzzzz LOL
A ZENBEAT-arranger IOS app is probely what we get!!!
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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6428
I honestly think that Roland have completely abandoned the pro and prosumer market segments for arrangers completely. All evidence points to this. The EA7 arranger has not been updated, superseded, or any new content delivered for it in years. If they were not willing to incrementally improve a pretty decent product that needed very little to compete, what makes you think they will leverage Zencore Technology at great expense to re-enter a market segment they have allowed the vast majority of the user base to leave for Korg and Yamaha?

Arrangers are a dwindling market segment, and Roland arranger users are a dwindling subsection of that dwindling market segment. I honestly doubt that Roland could break even trying to re-enter a segment it has abandoned for so long. Don’t forget, the BK-9 was the last MOTL arranger Roland made, and the E80 was the last TOTL arranger. That’s 12 YEARS ago... (7 for the BK-9, and 4 1/2 years since the EA7!)

If you haven’t got the message yet, it’s not for lack of Roland trying!

Roland have moved on to being almost solely a synthesizer manufacturer, and with today’s craze for them, who can blame them? Arrangers are going the way of the home organ. Roland simply saw the writing on the wall sooner than anybody else. Yes, it’s a damn shame, but if you expect Roland to come out with anything innovative after all these years, you are an awful lot more optimistic than I am LOL
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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6442
I am sure, that there will no more Arrangers from Roland . All the Signs refer to that.
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Well, they are still making low end arrangers, the EX series, but with little changed other than polyphony or soundset.

I would encourage everyone that really DOES love their current Roland arranger to baby it, to treat it with kid gloves, to get a HARD case for it and to basically handle it as if you'll never get another! Because that rather looks the case, doesn't it?!

Maybe even keep an eye open for a duplicate, for parts or as a backup. I know, with hundreds if not thousands of Performance entries, with as many styles or SMF's optimized for the Roland drumkits and soundset, you are definitely not going to want to do all the work of converting those into an utterly different format and styles like Yamaha or Korg!

One of the reasons I keep my arrangers so long, and don't go off hunting every new model and make that comes along is that. It's a several month effort to migrate successfully even between Roland models (like when I went from the G70 to the BK9), God knows how long it would take to find Yamaha equivalent styles, or have to convert SMF's to sound as good using Yamaha kits and tones..!

So, if this is the end of Roland arrangers for all but the hobby/toy segment, BABY YOUR ROLAND! Handle it like it's a '56 Telecaster! Like a Stradivarius! Like your mother...

You may never get another :evil:
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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6447
The EX-series aren't real Rolands, they're Yamaha derived.

For me what makes Rolands superior to other brands is their Chord Intelligence (which has been around pretty much unchanged since at least 1996.) With it you can play a wider variety of chords, with less difficult fingering compared to other brands. For me moving to another brand means re-learning stuff that's been committed to muscle memory. And it will automatically be harder- either more notes are required, more hand movement, or both. Recent Casio(!) products come the closest to matching Roland's simplified chord fingering, but they're not known for quality. The keybeds are rubbish, and the MIDI implementation isn't really complete enough to support a fully-featured master controller.

If Roland doesn't want to make arrangers anymore that's fine. But they should release the logic for their Chord Intelligence into the public domain, or license it to other manufacturers for inclusion into synths, etc. It could reside as software on a laptop or iPad. Heck, even just package it in a "black box" with MIDI in and MIDI thru... you play one note on a controller, and a triad with appropriate bass comes out the other end. It's that simple, and that powerful. It puts an amazing musical tool in the hands of non-musicians, and to lose it is the musical equivalent of burning the library at Alexandria. My $.02.

BTW- If I had the talent to play 3- and 4-note chords a tempo, I would just buy an organ, not an arranger. The last time I checked those are still available! Chord Intelligence is the essence, the sine qua non of Roland arrangers, and that's the real loss here.
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I’d rather think that if any of the other manufacturers adopted Roland’s chord fingering system, the current user base would get pretty mad what they had got used to was no longer the norm!

I rather feel that’s one of the disadvantages to not just knuckling down and learning your chords properly, being tied to a system that may not exist forever.

My problem is the other extreme... Roland are the only company with Pianist2 mode, which restricts chord recognition to at least three notes, but five notes when the sustain is down. This is, by far the most accurate system in existence for being able to play completely normal full two handed piano and not freaking out the chord recognition! All the others are still using the old 3 note system, (pedal up or down) which forces you to think far more carefully how you play than the new system!
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No the system may not exist forever, but 24+ years is a long time. I may not exist forever, but I'm hoping for at least 10 more years ;-)

I understand chord theory but there's just a limit to what I can do accurately in real time, no matter how much I practice (which admittedly isn't much!) An expert shootist can fire two bullets from a revolver in less than a second. If I need to do that, I would prefer to hold down the trigger on a machine gun. You'll be just as dead! Some people still practice marksmanship for the Olympics, etc., but America doesn't send its boys to war with the 1873 Springfield anymore.

All other manufacturers including Roland have adopted Yamaha's system ("nearest black key to the left," etc.) as OPTIONAL, probably because of the obvious mnemonic-- non-musicians think of black keys as "minor." But by its nature this system doesn't allow for inversions, and some passages might even be unplayable because you're required to play notes that weren't part of the original score! Furthermore, I find some adjacent key combinations quite uncomfortable or un-ergonomic.

Meanwhile Roland's system is GUARANTEED to be easier (or at least no harder) than the original score, because you're only required to play a sub-set of the scored notes. Single-note majors facilitate rapid progressions and also allow many successive chords to be played without repositioning the hand. This is an irrefutable advantage. Until the 20th Century, the physical construction of the instrument (piano strings, organ pipes, etc.) required pressing all of the constituent notes to form a chord, and this took great skill. Electronic, or even electrical logic as embodied in Roland's Chord Intelligence is a great equalizer and "force multiplier." The loss of this functionality represents a setback or regression of human knowledge and ability.

During the '90s Roland came up with this excellent system on its own. Yamaha could have approached Roland about licensing the system. Instead circa 1999 they hired an outside contractor to develop their current flagship system called "AI Fingered." Basically two played notes trigger a slash chord, and three in any inversion is interpreted as the normal chord in root position. For songs with a lot of slash chords it does conserve hand movement. But it also results in a lot of 3-note combinations, and requires good finger articulation. Korg's "Expert" system is simliar, but an inferior copy IMO. I understand the theory and can use it but would prefer not to re-learn songs I already know. If the Roland system vanishes from the marketplace it will be a loss to current Roland players and future new players who might try the other systems and just give up out of frustration.

I've been exhorting some folks at Casio to step up in quality and fill the gap. Their system is presently the closest (GEM was also very close, R.I.P.) If they can't spec a quality keybed, maybe they can build a module.

All of this is just software logic. It seems easy enough for anyone with MIDI knowledge and programming skill to replicate Chord Intelligence in a "black box." They could circumvent Roland's intellectual property rights by making the functionality of the box highly customizable through a PC interface. The default setup would be different enough from Roland to avoid infringement. But the user could select a combination of chord recognition heuristics that would duplicate the familiar behavior of a G-800, etc., just as a modern BMW 8-speed automatic could be made to skip certain gears and recreate the experience of a 3-speed Turbo-Hydramatic.

The whole community is caught up with better and better on-board sound samples, but the heart of an arranger is chord recognition (and of course the other half is how it alters the recorded style pattern.) Hopefully someone will read this and pick up the ball!

To address your other point... I'm pretty sure Ketron has a pedal-controlled function that allows you to "lock" the chord. As long as it's held down you can play whatever you want and the chord won't change. I think GEM had this too. Roland also had this feature on the Prelude and GW-8, then it disappeared on the BK's. Obviously I'm not a pianist so I have no use for it. But it seems so valuable, I can't believe the other brands don't have similar functionality.
Another workaround might be two keyboards- one to drive the style, and another for two handed comping. The only reason to play RH on the arranger itself, is if you use an automatic RH harmony (aka "Melody Intelligence.") I use it a lot, but you probably don't need it! ;-)
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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6450
Yes, baby your Totl roland arranger to keep it covering the history of roland arrangers I have the BK7M and i was sure at that time that it was the last arranger becauce they put the whole (best) arrangers in it. but supricely the come out with a BK9 but for a reasion very quikly stop production.
EAX-7 the last (big) real arranger but i'm not like it.

Just for two weeks ago i recieved my Dexibell S9 i buy it to replace my 88keys studiologic after 25 years !!
Well its not about dexibells great sounds T2L its the keybed the masterkeyboards funcions ect. and the wide range of connections include direct usb to any other usb-midi device (as-long its supports GM2,and dexibell format) why i chose this.
And it works great together with my Bk7m.

Note !! Dexibell it has World First Realaudio arranger!!!
in the form of there Xmure app.
sounds great !!! But it's as they told me something they slowly step by step make it a more advange arranger, I request the piano2 mode because there market is for pro piano/keyboard-players, Responding positive but it wil take a time first thing first for the dexibell team.

What i want to tell you here ... the future -continiue of a arranger-/backing it will be a soft-arranger .

And that is the only thing if roland will do something !!????? with there arranger history i suggest that it will be a IOS arranger app. There new Zen-Core make it possible,see the zenbeats app.

Bye bye for me and Roland and i wil not much more on this forum because there's noting to talk about ...... please change the name into the bk9 user-forum that fits more these days here'


Greets Ronald
4 weeks 22 hours ago Last edit: 4 weeks 22 hours ago by Ronald#Roland.
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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6451
I would be extremely concerned if Roland came out with an iOS arranger...

They left the entire BK and EA7 community completely in the lurch with their iOS app for reading lyrics (Lyrics Viewer) by discontinuing it despite it still working fine with current iOS versions. That’s one of the major disadvantages of Apple’s unbeatable Apple Store policy. Case in point, I only bought my iPad a year or so ago. But despite leaving up the BK-9 Editor at the store (for a discontinued product), they dropped the Lyrics Viewer app, which works with ALL BK arrangers (actually, not sure it works with the EA7, I’m not sure anyone has reported that) including the still in production (at the time) BK5...

So I cannot use that software, which I desperately need (reading lyrics off the LCD’s in bright sunlight is difficult).

Think about this before you wish for an iOS Roland arranger. You are one stupid decision by Roland Japan away from not being able to use the software, or having it become inoperable because Roland don’t feel like updating it for a more recent OS.
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Roland start roll out there new 2020 products !! #6454
I give the suggestion of MAYBE the only thing about arranger things from roland canbe a soft arranger!!! I don't wish a IOS arranger from Roland

Sorry to say but I will not spend my money on any "new" Roland Product and that is a shame...because Roland create this Hopeless future on there products to me
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I can only presume you are referring to Roland arrangers, because their synthesizer and stage piano line continue to lead the field.

The Jupiter’s, FA series, Fantom and RD series continue to innovate, and Roland seem to be very comfortable in their choices.

As few people are using arrangers any more, not being that good at contemporary synth based music, I think over the next few years we will be seeing more and more manufacturers exit the dwindling arranger market. This is pretty much what happened to the arranger’s predecessor, the home organ. A few niche manufacturers remain, selling very expensive products to a tiny few home organ fans, but the large selection that existed in the 70’s is gone.

Music moves on, and the tools to make those new musics change.

The good news is, Roland having left the market, at least a couple of manufacturers are still in it, so if you feel a burning need, you can move on. Me, on the other hand, for what and how I play, the BK-9 looks set to be my final arranger. It does everything I need. Maybe not everything I could ever want (what ever will?!) but everything I need.

I am done waiting for the next Roland arranger, preferring to concentrate on the music itself. Once you are given an instrument that can do almost anything you want, it’s time to get back to what we REALLY are....

Musicians!
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