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Hi all, need a bit of help with some of my styles, please.

I edited some of my BK7m styles by simply removing Intro, Endings, and Fills. In other words, those parts are empty, no midi events in them. But still, when I press dedicated buttons for those when playing live, the module treats them as a pause, basicaly interrupting the ongoing style. What I was hoping to achieve is to make the buttons corresponding to those empty parts completely disabled. So if I press them by mistake during live performance, nothing happens and the ongoing style is not interrupted. Anybody knows how to "fix" this? Thanks
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I don't mean to be too critical, but I'm not sure why you would do this. Why not just leave the "extra" intros, endings, and fills in place? What are you gaining by simply deleting them?

Also, what happens with the buttons if you load a legacy Roland style from a G-1000 or similar (which had only two variations??)
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Thank for your reply TedS.

I am basically creating new styles from existing ones, utilizing parts that can be easily modified to fit the new styles. In many cases, the old intros, Fills and Endings are no longer "compatible" with the newly created variations and therefore I want to remove them so they don't get activated by mistake during a live performance.

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How are you editing the styles? The BK-7m doesn't have an on-board style composer.
One thing you could do, is copy a few bars of your "main" variation to the unused Intro, ending, and fill slots. Then if you push one by mistake, or push any button at all, you'll still get the desired variation with pretty much no interruption.

Also, I think there's a setting to disable chord recognition during intros and endings, in case they have a built-in chromatic sequence. If you accept my suggestion you'll want to make sure that chord recognition enabled at all times. Hope this helps.
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Need help editing Roland styles-how to disable buttons if there are no parts .. #6291
How are you 'accidentally' selecting fills and Intros/Endings?

What are you using to trigger the BK-7m?

In your case, I would work on that harder than trying to fix the data. If you are mis-hitting the controller, this is going to give you problems when you use normal styles as well as these translations. Particularly the wrong Ending...

But, to address the issue, if you are able somehow to translate the Variation data, why aren't you able to transfer the fill data or Intro/Endings as well? There really is no way around the issue (and I believe you'll find this is the same across brands - I believe pressing for an Into or fill on all brands will trigger the Division, I don't think there's a way to say 'do nothing'). Simply take the fill data or In/End data and copy those into the correct Divisions just like you have the Variation data.

Lastly, as a final resort, have you considered reprogramming your controller so the buttons that address the Divisions you do not have do not send the correct code (or send nothing)..? If you are using the controller to select Performance List entries, you can customize each setup to only activate buttons you have Divisions for.
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Need help editing Roland styles-how to disable buttons if there are no parts .. #6292
Diki,

I am using BK7m with my accordion which has a MIDI system in the left hand, so I can trigger the chords. I use my right hand to press buttons on the BK7M.

I have a number of styles that I use during live performance, some of them with proper Fills some without. This can lead to a situation where I activate Auto Fills on a wrong style, that might not have a proper Fill programmed. A simple solution would be to simply deactivate buttons which refer to non existing patterns. in other words, if you hit a button that doesn't have pattern associated with, the button doesn't do anything.

As mentioned earlier, I managed to delete MIDI events associated with "wrong" Fills and endings, but the buttons can still be activated, even when "empty", which creates a break during a live performance. So I need to be very careful not to hit Auto Fill buttons on styles which might have an "empty" pattern associated. Sometimes it can be hard to track when playing and switching styles on a fly.

If I remember correctly, in case of KORG, if there is no pattern associated with a button, the button is deactivated. In other words, if I hit a Fill that is "empty" nothing will happen, the style will simply continue playing without interruption. So the system detects that there is nothing there and does nothing, while BK7m introduces a pause although there is nothing there.

As mentioned, I am modifying existing variations to create a new style, and not transferring data from other styles, so similarly i don't have a source of new Intros/Fills. I would need to modify them too. Due to limited editing capabilities of BK7m, modifying variations is already painful enough, so I would rather delete other data that is not as critical, referring to Intro/Fills/endings.

Thank you,
D.
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TedS,

I am using EMC StyleWorks for editing ..

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With a BK-7m, I would strongly recommend an FC7 pedal. I know they are out of production, but keep an eye on eBay etc.. The nature of modules is that it is sometimes hard to put them as close to the controller keyboard as the buttons would be on a normal arranger.

This can lead to the sort of issues you described. I’m guessing that’s the core of the issue of mishitting the Fill and sending buttons..?

An alternative to the FC7 is the Korg EC5 pedal, although it will need an adapter or rewind.
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Need help editing Roland styles-how to disable buttons if there are no parts .. #6295
Thanks Diki,

Mis-hitting a Fill or Intro button is definitely one of undesirable scenarios.
But a scenario that I am even more concerned is the one where you don't know if the active style has good or bad Fill/intro/Endings, since some of the styles are modified as described before.
I though that by completely deleting those "incompatible" Fills/intro/Endings in the modified style, would make associated buttons do nothing when pressed. So if a style has a "good" Fill it will be played when pressed, but would do nothing if the Fill is empty. Unfortunately, even "empty" Fills get activated and create a void/pause in the style. Therefore, I need to keep track of all Styles that do not have proper Fills/intros/Endings which might be tricky when doing everything live...
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You might try renaming the styles to indicate if you can safely hit fills or not....

Try 'StyleName 1/3' for instance for a style where fills 1 & 3 work. 'StyleName 0' for a style where none of them do!
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