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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller?

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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6269
It's been too quiet around here lately!

I'm jealous... on SynthZone a couple of folks shared descriptions of their ultra-lightweight rigs consisting of the Ketron SD40 module and some of these tiny, new USB-only MIDI controller keyboards. The Korg MicroKey61, M-Audio Keystation 49es, etc. A lot of these newer keyboard controllers don't have "real" (DIN-style) MIDI connectors. The setup is possible because the Ketron SD40 (and some Korg arrangers) have multiple USB Type A (host) ports, which facilitate this type of connection. (The controllers have a USB type B "slave" port, so you connect them to the arranger with a printer cable.)

My question for the Roland experts: Will our BK-7m recognize a USB midi controller plugged into its lone USB type A port? Up until now, I've only used that port for a thumb drive, to transfer user styles and midi songs. Will connecting a keyboard controller here damage the module? Will it work?? If so, can you use a hub to connect a USB stick and controller KB at the same time? Has anybody tried!? What's the velocity of a swallow? Thanks all!
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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6270
Sorry TedS, it's not possible to (host) a midi controller by the BK7m usb(A) port . only support for generic drive's pendrive /portable hard drive's.
Whe have request this along time ago to roland to ad a GM /midi-protocole usb-drive software for there usbAport they never respond.

In the menu of the Bk7m "global">>>utility>>>Usbport you can select generic or original But nobody nows what the original means!!!!!

I try all possible connection's/setting but no it is not possible ad something els then a thumbdrive

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1 week 1 day ago Last edit: 1 week 1 day ago by Ronald#Roland.
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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6271
It's not a dirt cheap solution, but try this... www.kentonuk.com/products/items/utilities/usb-host.shtml or this www.roland.com/us/products/um-one_mk2/ (cheaper).

Or google 'USB to MIDI converter' and look at your options. TBH, the BK-7m pre-dated widespread USB controllers without MIDI on them, so it's a bit unfair to criticize Roland for not providing USB device compatibility. Perhaps the onus should be on the controller?
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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6272
Thanks all! That Kenton USB host would probably work, because it claims to convert USB midi to standard (DIN) midi. It's a bummer that it's not self-powered and requires a wall-wart type transformer. I was hoping for something compact, simple, and streamlined. It's also not cheap for just experimenting around.

I have the Roland UM-One. That doesn't do what I need, because the USB ports on these micro keyboard controllers are Type B (slave), as you would see on a printer or other peripheral device. So that's not the answer.

As you said, I think Ketron got a little ahead of Roland, given their module is several years newer, and sells for more than twice the price of a pre-owned BK-7m. I wish Roland would get back in the game, or other manufacturers would sell module versions of their MOTL and TOTL arrangers!
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Hi TedS , just focus on find your self a small midi controller that have a midi din port......!!!!!!
there are plenty of them on the market and they are cheaper than the kentron host
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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6274
For just experimental the behringer umx250 or uma25s(incl. audiointerface) also umx49 are low priced midi controllers include 5din midi-out and usb-B midi
Battery or adapter powerd Around 80 dollar
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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6275
I have the UM-ONE connected to my E80 and computer,the one in the link is a UM-ONE Mk2 which is a different connecting plug type.
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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6276
I appreciate the suggestion Terry. But the only difference between the UM-ONE and the Mk2 version is iPad / iOS compatibility. Neither one will help me connect a USB Type B device to the BK-7m. The Kenton MIDI host can do this, because I could use a regular (DIN) midi cable from the BK to the Kenton host, and then a printer cable from the Kenton host to the keyboard controller.

I think Ronald has the right answer- I need to find a compact, lightweight controller that has a midi DIN port. OR I can save up for a Ketron SD40!
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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6277
If the thing is that you do not have the right USB connector, then
an adapter from USB B male to USB A female can possibly help?
5 days 21 hours ago Last edit: 5 days 21 hours ago by Willem52.
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BK-7m with USB-only midi controller? #6278
An arranger module is only as good as the controller you use with it. You need to be very very careful reading the arranger MIDI manual and double checking all of the codes for full arranger operation. If the module needs codes the controller cannot provide, for instance sysex with variables, or NRPN’s that the controller doesn’t send, you can find yourself unable to fully control the module compared to the keyboard version...

And setting up FULL control (Part volumes, effects and MFX parameters, voice control like filter control etc, Variation, Fill and Intro/Ending selection) is not an easy task for the novice! It is not always easy to place a module as close to the keyboard as the buttons are on a keyboard arranger, making trips to press buttons and move sliders much harder to do quickly and accurately, so how flexible and well equipped the controller is makes a huge difference.

The idea of a module and small controller is an enticing one, but often in practice it isn’t as easy as you would hope...
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