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BK partner app or Gesini GERD??

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BK partner app or Gesini GERD?? #5647
Is it my imagination, or do both of these programs do the same thing? I surmise that BK-partner only works with an iPad, correct? (i.e., not with iPhone, PC, or other brands of tablet.) Someone told me it's best with the BK-9. Would I gain anything trying to use it with a BK-7m?

Secondly: do either of these work with the E-A7? What's the killer value proposition that would make me want to use either one? Which would you recommend??

Sorry for all the questions! It's been a while and I'm a little out of the loop on this newer stuff!
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BK partner app or Gesini GERD?? #5648
BK Partner works the same with all BK's. You may be confusing it with the Roland app BK-9 Editor app, which they only made for the BK-9 (which is a shame, it was needed even more for the single screen BK's, and yet more again for the tiny screen BK-7m!).

GERD is more of a full editor app, the BK Partner is really only for selecting Performances, Tones and Styles with less menu diving and a useful search ability. It also gives you duplication of some of the front panel buttons. But about the only good use for this is you can leave your Tone Select buttons normal and still select OTS if you really need that... Bit of a swing and a miss, IMO, as the app would have been the perfect place to be able to have Break/Mute buttons or individual Intro/Ending buttons, things that the front panel can't do.

As with all things Roland (at least in arranger land!), the apps are a bit of a swing and a miss... The right idea, half completed and poorly supported. A full editor for the BK series (not just the BK-9) would have allayed much of the misgivings about the move from the G/E series' touch screen to the less expensive LCD screens. And even the BK-9's editor app really only covers Performance parameters, there's no editor for the Makeup Tools (G70/E80 had a great Mixer screen for Makeup Tools adjusting vol/pan/cho/rev and track mutes), and no editor for the sequencer.

Then all of the apps should have been rolled into one. There's no need for separate apps for Performance Tone and Rhythm selection, Lyric display and Editor. They should have been one app! And the focus of the apps should have been presentation of many of the OS's features that are buried in the menus that you need for live use. Break/Mutes, Dyn Arranger on/off's, Style Part mutes, Perc/Drum exclusive switches (did you know you can mute out the drums and percussion separately from within the Makeup Tools?) 1/2 Bar Fills, etc..

Yes, the BK-9's FC7 and four assign switches can be mapped to many of these (but not the Makeup stuff), but the BK5/3 couldn't. If you were willing to forego a swell pedal, you got ONE footswitch to assign to ONE parameter (globally, not per Perf.). An app to allow you easy access to all these was a no-brainer to all (except, apparently, Roland!).

If you want a full editor for the BK series and have a PC/laptop, GERD is your only option. Support seems to be iffy, and I have not heard anything lately about updates or bugfixes. Given the tiny user base for it, I can understand that. But unless you have a BK-9, it's your only option...
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BK partner app or Gesini GERD?? #5649
And to answer more of your questions, no, they don't work with the E-A7, there's a different Roland PC editor app for that www.roland.com/us/products/e-a7_tone_manager/ but this mostly is about the sampler, not so much the arranger features.

I'd say, if you already have an iPad, the BK Partner definitely would help a BK-7m user, and if you run a laptop at the gig, GERD would once again be a boon, given the tiny display on the BK-7m. Much depends, in the case of the BK5/3, on whether there's anything you do on the gig that is wasting a lot of time, and whether either app speeds it up. They both make searching for Performances and Tones a lot easier than scrolling the lists like a madman!

Perhaps you might detail the exact things that are a roadblock at the moment, perhaps there's a solution?

Me, I found that the BK's strongly favor a system of preparing the Performances for all your songs in advance rather than trying to run the arranger old school, selecting everything on the fly (style/sounds/layout etc.). But I feel that way about most modern arrangers. When we used to have only 64 styles and 128 sounds (if that!) and next to nothing in the way of effects, you could run an arranger old school. Up that to thousands of sounds, thousands of styles, hundreds of effects choices, myriad keyboard modes etc., and the idea of trying to do it on the fly just seems an uphill battle!

But prepare your song list in advance, use multiple Performances for the same song if you need complex changes mid-song (I often have alternate Performances for Intro/song/solo changes) and operation live is a snap. Alternatively, if lyric display is more your need, programs like OnSong can take over calling up the Performance while it displays lyrics for MP3/WAV's, SMF's and (unlike the BK's) Styles.

But more info about what you want to achieve will definitely help define what will be the best program to use...
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