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Trigger Melody Intelligent with MIDI - BK series

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Trigger Melody Intelligent with MIDI - BK series #5621
Hi,

I am trying to understand how to trigger the Melody Intelligent feature with a MIDI command. I am certainly no expert in MIDI, so I thought I reach out to you.

On page 3of the MIDI implementation document for the BK7m the NRPN parameters are shown for IntellAgent.



Here is what I had entered, but unfortunately without success:

Channel MSB LSB
13 99 79
13 98 13
13 6 1

Can anybody point me into the right direction?
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Trigger Melody Intelligent with MIDI - BK series #5622
I haven't tried to do this myself, but reading the MIDI chart, it appears that that code you highlighted is to turn the MI channel on and off, NOT enable the MI feature. Have you tried enabling the MI feature for the Performance, then sent the on/off code to see whether the MI Part mutes?

I have both the iPad apps for BK9, and there appears to be no MI on/off button in the BK Partner app, but there IS on with the BK9 Editor app. I don't know if this equates to there being no code for BK-7m/5/3 and there is for BK9 (Roland never ported the editor app for the 7/5/3, big mistake, IMHO) or whether the same code works on all (the BK9 editor won't launch if it is connected to a BK-7m, so I can't test it). But the BK9 Editor app definitely turns on the MI button light on the front panel of my BK-9... BTW, the codes to on/off the MI Part are identical in a BK-9 to the -7m, except for the Device ID header.

As a last resort, have you considered using two identical Performances, one with MI enabled and one without (with a 999 entry size Performance List, there seems to be enough for this to work and have some to spare!) and use the MIDI PC codes to call up the Performance you need..?

A non-MIDI way to do this also exists... Connect an FC-7 and set two of them to Perf. Up/Down (or build a two pedal system wired to the FC-7 connector) and change between the two Performances that way. I do this quite a bit to allow me hands free setup changes.

The fact that my BK9 MI will on/off remotely gives me hope there is a solution to your issue, but I think you need to do some basic troubleshooting to ensure the codes work. Have any of the other codes for enabling/disabling Parts worked on the regular Keyboard Parts? If they do, you have got the codes and checksum working OK, but if not, you might need to sort that before you worry about enabling/disabling the MI Part...

Perhaps you could detail why you need a MIDI solution to this? Are you using a MIDI accordion or guitar? If you can get away with footswitches (you must have a BK-7m, this doesn't work on the BK5/3 because no FC-7 input) this is probably your easiest solution to hands-free MI on/off
2 months 1 week ago Last edit: 2 months 1 week ago by Diki.
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Trigger Melody Intelligent with MIDI - BK series #5623
Diki, thanks for the quick reply.

I wasn't sure either if it turns on MI or opens MIDI channel 15. I checked both cases and my codes didn't do anything. But I am not the MIDI Control Change expert.

The BK partner app doesn't have MI enabled, currently the only way I know is to trigger it via a simple foot pedal. And that is actually the reason why I looked into this in the first place. I am an accordionist and rely on foot pedals and want to replace my FC-7 with a MIDI one. There are two functions I use extensively "Next performance" and "Melody Intelligent". Next performance can't be triggered with MIDI commands either - unless you you can tell me how.

I was hoping to use the NPRP codes to trigger MI. I have an acquaintance who is much better in MIDI than I am, but he didn't know either.

Can you find out the control change commands the BK9 editor sends to the keyboard? That might be something to work with.

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I would also try to make sure the system excusive is on, and also turn TX data change on..
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Trigger Melody Intelligent with MIDI - BK series #5625
Thanks, all those parameters were set. I will be traveling this week, but I will try it again next weekend.
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As I suggested, I think you should concentrate on trying to get any NRPN codes to work. You may be doing something wrong with the checksum, or you may be factoring in the hex code in the wrong way, and before you worry about trying to turn the MI on, just do something basic like turning say UPR1 on and off. You will easily see the status light come on as a quick confirmation.
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Trigger Melody Intelligent with MIDI - BK series #5627
Hi,

I don't know if this helps - but I have recently been turning on/off the Style and voice sounds using and NRPM and here is what I used (in hex):-

For upper 1 sound on/off:-
BC,63,4F
BC,62,10
BC,06,x [where x=0 to turn off, 7F to turn on]
BC,63,7F
BC,62,7F

In your example you used BC,06,01 - whereas the documentation say to turn it on you use BC,06,7F to turn ON, BC,06,00 to turn OFF. So you are effectively alwasy turning it OFF (i.e. range 0-3F=OFF)

The last 2 lines in my example are ALWAYS required so as not to leave the BK in an indeterminant state.

NRPN messages ar received on the BASIC channel (13 default) and you need to make sure the BK can receive the messages correctly:-

[Menu] Midi / Edit System / Basic/ RX on

I hope this helps to get your problem sorted. My advice is to always work in headecimal because thats how manufactureres usually specify the data and that way it stops any error when you convert between hex and deimal .

Tip: If you want to convert and work in Hex then use the standard MS Windows calculator. Switch it to programmer mode and then you can see numbers in hex/decimal/binary etc. Then its easy.

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Trigger Melody Intelligent with MIDI - BK series #5628
Thanks, I am on the road and I will check this out next weekend!
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Just out of curiosity, what MIDI pedals are you planning on using?
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Trigger Melody Intelligent with MIDI - BK series #5630
Diki,
I had a couple of years for testing a Behringer FCB1010, but wasn't able to program it. I was told that there are now better options to program that. I also had the Roland FC300 which works nicely through my Roland FR-8x accordion, but only with some native commands, I never tried pure MIDI. Secondly the pedals on the FC300 where pretty close and I pressed quite often 2 at the same time. And yes there is the price tag and the weight. So I am back to the FCB1010 or I saw recently the Nectar Pacer. Again, I will not look into something until I know I can achieve what I need with the MI settings. I got some suggestions and I hope I can run some more tests the following weekend.

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Does Behringer have a forum for the FCB1010? That might be a good place to hook up with people with more programming experience for that particular device...
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