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Configuring Gesini GERD

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Configuring Gesini GERD #5610
Hi,

As a result of a suggestion in another thread recently somebody suggested to me to try Gesini GERD with my BK7m. I had tried it before but I had problems getting it to even run at all without crashing - so had given up.

But that was a couple of years ago - so quite correctly it was time to try again. It now installs reliabily - but it was not a good start when it took the developer 2 weeks to reply to my request for a trial licence. But the problem I am having is that I am failing at the first hurdle of connecting midi devices. So are there any users of GERD out there who have got it work reliably and could they perhaps please provide me with pointers - i.e. do I need to be standing on one leg when I configuer the midi devices :-)

Its a really simple problem - but I have a USB connected Yamaha Motif-XS keyboard showing up in my computer as a midi device 'Yamaha Motif XS-1' and I have a midi input device called 'BK7m' and a midi output device called 'BK7m'. But my question is what GERD midi boxes should these three midi devices go in as I cannot seem to get GERD to accept midi keyboard data from the Motif XS - so something is misconfugured wrong. If I connect a midi monitoring program outside of GERD then it clearly shows that the Motif-XS is sending midi data on channel one.

So any ideas would be appreciated please.

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Configuring Gesini GERD #5611
The MIDI-OX program will help connect the Yamaha keyboard to Roland BK-7m via computer
(all connections of the input with the output are shown in the lower right corner of the image)
www.midiox.com/?http://www.midiox.com/moxdown.htm
4 months 3 weeks ago Last edit: 4 months 3 weeks ago by loshk.
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Configuring Gesini GERD #5613
Hi loshk

Sorry not to have replied before.

I'm actually slighly baffled by your reply as I'm not sure why I need MIDI-OX in order to be able to connect my MOtif-XS keyboard to the BK7m via GERD. Perhaps I am being naive - but I assumed that you connect both the Motif to GERD and the BK7m to GERD and GERD handles all the midi data transfer se.g.:-

( Motif-XS Keyboard ----> GERD <
> BK7m )

So the only reason I can see why you need Midi-OX is because GERD doesn't do this and that you have to feed the midi data from the keyboard to the BK7m yourself - IS THAT TRUE?

My progress with GERD is NOT good. I keep finding that GERD crashes when I run it and I cannot get it to run from that point and the only solution is to reinstall from scratch. I obviously (from above) cannot get the keyboard connected at all and suspect that I am not understanding the instructions - although they seem obvious. I am also finding (when it does connect to the BK7m) - that certain things on the BK7m don't seem to change when I think they should (e.g. I select a sound for UP1 - it changes in GERD (but not the BK7m) and then after about 5 seconds it changes back to its original value in GERD [=odd!]

The GERD people did respond to my request for help - but it seems to take days between asking and receiving a reply.

I really want this to work - but its not looking promising.

Are other people using it successfully?

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Configuring Gesini GERD #5614
I assumed to use MIDI-OX for connection via computer without GERD
4 months 3 weeks ago Last edit: 4 months 3 weeks ago by loshk.
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Configuring Gesini GERD #5691
Hi,

I thought it might be appropriate to update you with my efforts to get Gesini GERD connected to my BK7m. Particularly as it might be useful information for some other person who might be thinking of doing this.

Anyway - The result is that after several weeks of hard effort - I cannot get it to work. Its says there is a midi problem with the connection - but it is able to send some midi data succesfully - so clearly not. I have checked, re-checked multiple times - the midi setup of the BK7m and it appears to be identical to the GERD documentation. And also the settings of GERD itself seem correct according to their dcumentation. It should be noted that I have not yet been able to play a single note from the keyboard nor change a sound patch - which is pretty basic stuff.

I have sent multiple emails (I think 9+ - I have lost count) to the Gesini supprt email address. And apart from a tardy reply in the early days and and an equally tardy response to two separate requests for a temporary licence (as the first inevitably ran out) - I have got no answer at all from them. In fact I actually wonder if they are that interested in selling the product (I have indicated this view to them (guess what - no reply)).

Thus reluctantly (for the second time in 2 years) I have decided to give up. This is a big pity because I thought it would have been exactly what I wanted as it looks really good. However, if support is like this before before purchase - then goodnes knows what it would be like afterwards.

I don't know if anyone has any last minute ideas - beacause I'm beaten.

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Configuring Gesini GERD #5695
About the only thing I'd suggest at this point is to ask GERD's developer if he would give you a list of customers, and try contacting them for technical help. I'm assuming he didn't put together a users forum, did he?

But, in fairness, you have to understand the problem from the developer's point of view. GERD must be an incredibly niche product, made for one not particularly widespread device. Probably bought by only a handful of people. Expecting 24/7 tech support for a product that probably barely bought the developer a few coffees a week is a bit optimistic!
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Configuring Gesini GERD #5697
Diki,

I think you are carrying fairness to its limits ;-) and I agree with you that it is a niche product. There does not appear to be a forum - that I can find. And there is no point in trying to contact the developer about other users - as he simply does not not answer (thats the whole point) [unless maybe there is an 'R' in the month!].

I certainly don't expect 24/7 response - but any reponse at all would be appreciated. And if he wants to make some money for his efforts - then I would have thought that encouraging someone who is actively showing an interest in buying it might actually be a good business plan.

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Configuring Gesini GERD #5700
Yes, I admit that support could and should be better. But an eight year old product with no successor in any field is hard to find good support for!

At least GERD is still available! Roland have discontinued the Lyrics Viewer app for iPad, despite still making products that can use it... And no amount of complaining makes any difference. That GERD is available at all for a product that seems completely unsupported by its manufacturer is a good thing.

In the meantime, in lieu of support from the writer, perhaps you might try networking with any local MIDI power users in your area, invite them over and see if they can find any answers... Or try researching on any forums for the MotifXS. In fairness, the writer of GERD may have no knowledge of that particular keyboard’s MIDI implementation. As other users apparently have got GERD to work (there have been no reports here that the product is a total scam) it simply seems the issue revolves around the XS.

How about trying out any other MIDI keyboard (borrow one if you need one) and see if you can get GERD to work at all..? Maybe a simple stage piano with a simple MIDI output?
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Configuring Gesini GERD #5705
Hi Diki,

I appreciate and agree with many of your comments - but I think I have come to end of the road with GERD after 2 attempts in 2 years. The latest version is dated 19th March 2019 - so that implies that it is still being developed - or at least worked on. And I would like to stress again - that I think it looks to be a great product and I have no criticism at all of it and, more importantly, I would really like to use.

There may well be lots of happy GERD users - which is why I started this thread - but the result, disappointedly, has been total silence from them all.

The problem definitively is not caused by the Motif XS. I have a program which I wrote myself and it controls BK7m sounds, styles, volumes, some parameters, style start/stop/variations etc etc. This works in exactly the same way that I would expect GERD to function - except mine works and GERD doesn't (so I guess this may well make me the local midi power user). However, there may well be something I have missed (indeed almost certainly) - which is why I need the advice of the real expert in this program (i.e. the developer).

The reason I want to use GERD is that it is always a truism in software development that it is more cost effective to buy a working program rather than develop yet another one. Without doubt GERD does a lot of things that mine doesn't do (like controlling reverb and many other advanced parameters etc.) and apparently it controls style instrument volume too. I could get probably get my program to do those things with effort - but frankly life is too short. GERD also has a really nice user interface - so it was worth investigating.

The final problem is that my second temporary licence will have expired - so I will need to contact them for another before I could do any more testing.

I feel we have come to the point that there is probably no more to be said on this matter - and I have other things I would like to do - so its time to move on.

Thanks again for your interest.
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Configuring Gesini GERD #5706
Roland’s glacial pace at putting out new arranger product has basically killed off the user interest in forums. Back when you’re putting new products out every couple of years or so, when Roland were introducing new operating systems and updates, forum participation was robust here.

But there comes a time, once development and innovations cease, the vast majority of users either know their instruments to their own satisfaction, or have moved on to other manufacturers’ products. Site traffic here, despite (as far as I know) no other Roland arrange a site in English, has reduced to a trickle compared to our heyday during the G/E series days and the initial BK days.

You can see this on other forums... when a new arranger series comes out, site traffic for the old model pretty much dries out. We are facing the same issue here. With no new product for years, most users either are already familiar with their arranger or have moved on, sadly to other manufacturers, as Roland have failed to continue development of either the BK series or the EA7.

I’m sorry we had no-one to help you. Perhaps (as I think is the case) there are a lot fewer GERD users than you think?!
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Configuring Gesini GERD #5707
Hi BJGee ,
I'm a BK-7m owner too.
Would you consider sharing your program and any templates you have made?
Thanks.
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