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Sending MSB and LSB from G70?

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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5532
I am trying to use the G70 to control the Integra7 SNA program change..
Does anyone know the best solution.. The MSB is 89, and the LSB is64.
I have looked into micro edit but it does not allow me to change the value... unless I am missing something..
I sold my Code61 controller I used for the Integra7 (worked like a charm)..

This should be a simple program change from the G70.. Maybe I didn't turn on the data send?
Any help will be appreciated..

I prefer to send the program change from realtime keyboard parts. But if I need to do this from Style mode, so be it..

I thought I recall the MSB/LSB send with an execute tab on a window in the G70..
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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5537
I figured it out. I neglected to move the cursor to value in micro edit..
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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5541
I seem to remember that the Style Editor in the G70 (and the BK9's) can't send anything other than PC/32/00 codes that correspond to ROM Tones. So if an external device needed different codes, you were somewhat stymied. Can you confirm anything different?

You CAN send any PC/32/00 code from an SMF (and, by using a MIDI Set, ensure that external device Parts get sent externally only) but once again, Keyboard Parts in a UPG could only be set to codes that correspond to ROM Tones. The only workaround I ever found for the G70 to get round this issue was to use two UPG's... The first one linked to a MIDI Set that allowed PC/32/00 codes through, and created an SMF that sent the codes upon hitting PLAY. Then change to another (adjacent) UPG linked to a different MIDI Set that transmitted the Part's MIDI externally, but blocked sending PC/32/00 codes (so the style's 'wrong' codes didn't change the external gear's sound).

Bit of a kluge, but it worked.
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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5544
The required PС/CC0/CC32 code can be recorded in the midi file (very small file) and then only play this file and the code will be transmitted to the output.
You can attach this midi file to the desired user program
5 months 1 week ago Last edit: 5 months 1 week ago by loshk.
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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5552
The trouble is, you can't attach an SMF and a style to the same UPG. So this is why I suggested you will need two UPG's (next to each other in the UPS), one of which has the setup SMF, and then the next one with the style.

Select the first UPG, hit START (it will immediately stop if you make sure the SMF is only one bar long at a high tempo). Then immediately select the next UPG and hit Play again (or start playing if Auto-Start is ON) and you are good to go...
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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5557
Diki, I found after you initialize the style composer.. You can set the MSB/LSB and program change... You can play from the style composer and the changes go to the external sound module (integra 7). Turning off the GM reset for the receiving unit... and play the selected style with the external PC.. via style play.

Mute point now... I sold my Integra 7 today..
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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5559
Are you sure you are entering PC/32/00 values that don't already correspond to G70 ROM Tones (or SRX addresses of attached cards) though? I am sure probably a large percentage of the Integra7 addresses are likely the same.

And, if so, can you edit existing styles to add non-ROM codes, or is this only if you completely initialize the style composer?

Why did you let the Integra7 go? It seems like such an amazing addition for a G70 rig, especially if you can work around the Tone codes for styles (you already can for SMF's). Mind you, I have always hated that Roland's don't give you any tools for calling up external Keyboard Parts with any PC/32/00 code, and I imagine that most people want a module or secondary keyboard for addition sound for them to play, not the style or SMF engine. Short of that kludge I mentioned earlier, there really ISN'T a way to call up external sounds for the Keyboard Parts.

Roland have always really tried to design and sell their arrangers as completely standalone products (which, in fairness, is probably how most use them) but have missed out on simple ideas to allow use of external gear, and given that they make and sell external gear, seems to be a pretty shortsighted view. Just think, a preset Integra7 Tone call-up file and some styles that leverage the best sounds in the I7 (imagine all the jazz styles with that Jazz Guitar!), an easy way to call up I7 Tones for the keyboard Parts, surely they would sell a lot more I7's?

Roland's different Divisions (synths, home pianos, arrangers, workstation etc.) have always seemed fiefdoms to themselves, rarely allowing easy integration between their products. So much potential, so little ability to use it! Imagine an easy way to integrate a BK-7m with a FA-07 or a Jupiter-8, or a BK-9 with an Integra7, or a BK-7m with an RD-2000....

So much possibility, so hard to actually achieve, due to shortsightedness from the OS design teams. :dry:

I talked Donny out of ditching the BK-9 (for now, LOL!)... Sure I can't change your mind about the I7? :evil:
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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5560
Diki, I am sure the MSB/LSB sends worked.. I selected the addresses for Supernatural acoustic sounds that could only reside in the Integra7..

I just tested further and saved the style from style composer, without initializing.. I just made changes and renamed /saved to floppy .. When I tested the early style mod I had the Integra 7... I had to defeat the GM reset for the parts I changed , or else the gm reset would take priority...

I will make test further since I have a Ketron SD1000 with different addresses....

You are correct the Integra 7 is an amazing piece of gear.. For the studio, it is irreplaceable.. as the heart of a DAW system..

You have a audio interface , a midi interface, surround sound, the best editing of sound, a vst library editor, and unsurpassed sound quality..


Live play is another story, I am not sure it is worth the hassle to haul around and set up, since most of the features will
not be utilized.

The reason I sold it , same reason I sold the BK9 to Donny (he wanted it badly), and I still had the G70..
I had a fellow offer me a $200 profit to ship it immediately to him.... He had a weekend project in need of the Integra7..

Don't forget we are talking about a current product that is replaceable..

I was able to come close duplicating the Jazz guitar of SN on the G70, with a layer of two tones, velocity switching and edits, including effects... Same with the SN acoustic bass...
The key being layer sounds and velocity switching.. I can get sounds that compete with anything.. My favorite EP now resides in my G70 3 part layers with velocity switching.. My plan is to develop more of the more complex sounds on the G70.

Naturally as we know any sound edits have to be saved as a user program... I will just mark them as a sound edit.
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Sending MSB and LSB from G70? #5564
The thing that separates the SN guitars from other guitar sounds isn't, IMHO, the actual samples, but the way that the engine switched between mono and poly depending on whether you play single note lines or chords, the way it switched to hammer on or hammer off samples when you played half or whole step legato, and the strumming effect when playing chords (with alternate chords with sustain down doing downstroke and upstroke)...

None of these effects are in the G70, or in any non-SA sounds even in the BK-9. Even the most sophisticated velocity switching sounds are still heavily dependent on being played correctly, and the SN system in the BK (and the I7) performed utter magic on decently played lines, taking them from 'sort of OK' to 'completely believable'! Plus, if you had two hands free for the part, the 'choke notes down at the bottom end' allowed great strumming patterns, almost as good as the G70's Guitar Mode.

I for one would never give up the SN ability. My guitar playing emulation never sounded so good. Even Yamaha's SA2 can't match it (too many automatic things you have no playing control over). I'm not such a big fan of the SN horns, but those SN guitars are now irreplaceable for me...

I'll have another go at the Style Composer, I am not sure why I had the issue of no non-ROM Tones in styles (maybe doing something wrong). But I think I am still correct in saying it wasn't possible to create a UPG (or a BK Performance) that called up a non-ROM PC/32/00 code for the Keyboard Parts for use with external gear. Mind you, I didn't try it into any Roland gear, I was trying to get my G70 and my K2500 to talk nice at the time. Kurzweil codes were somewhat different to Roland, if I remember correctly.

But it's a shame that none of the main arranger makers really go out of their way to make controlling external gear easy. Most of them with faders don't transmit from the faders, most of them make you jump through hoops to call up external Keyboard sounds. Despite a MIDI out and USB, they still seem to be designed on the premise that the arranger is the only gear you'll ever use!
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