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FOR SALE Roland BK9 Excellent Condition

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FOR SALE Roland BK9 Excellent Condition #5465
BK 9 no longer For Sale

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4 weeks 1 day ago Last edit: 1 week 5 hours ago by KeyPro52.
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A new record? :woohoo: :P
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Not even close. He once sold an arranger after the first job. :)
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I wonder if he ever gigged with it? :evil:

I think a lot of this harkens back to what I was talking about recently... Backup, and having to re-do your entire playlist every time you use a different arranger. I can only imagine how much work Donny must have put into getting his Yamaha's to sound their best over the decades, and how much work it would have taken to get the Roland sounding as tweaked as he had his Yamaha files. Going back to his one true love must spare him a ton of work, given that Yamaha take a lot of care in making legacy data work with newer Yamaha's.

The odd thing is, as much as Donny relies on SMF's and MP3's as well as styles, all he really needs to do is record the songs that worked best with a Yamaha (borrow one!) and then play them back in the BK-9 as audio. This is one of my side projects at the moment - recording all my BK-9 backings that use SMF's or styles, so I can play them as audio in my BK-7m. This way, I can still have the great BK-9's sounds as backing that are missing in the BK-7m, without having to haul the big boy!

I must confess, I was rather smitten with the E-A7 at release, but the two things that really caught my fancy seem to have turned out rather as duds... I do like the idea of multipads, but the lack of quality content from Roland means a LOT of work to bring it up to Yamaha or Korg levels of usefulness. And a sampler with a miserly 128MB of RAM, combined with not a single factory set for it means, once again, a herculean amount of work to make it really useful. Do you use either of these functions much, Don?
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I have the multipads set up for drums sounds and special effect sounds. Use them some. Want to make some when I get time.
I have not used the sampler, but I haven't used it on any of the arrangers in a long time. It's another thing on my list to do.
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Best of luck! Compared to using either feature on a Korg or a Yamaha, you have a mountain of work to do. Everest...!

To be honest, even I wouldn't tackle the sampler! I did a fair bit of sampling back in the early days of sampling when you DID have to 'roll your own' a lot more. It was easily one of the most time consuming and frustrating experiences of my musical life. I had early Ensoniq's and Akai's, and the thing I learned is that, to make an instrument anywhere NEAR as good as a decent ROMpler, you needed the patience of a saint, the skills of a top flight sound engineer and programmer, and all the time in the world!

There's a reason sampler libraries are a huge business nowadays... It is just too difficult for mere mortals! The problem is, Roland gave us a sampler, and ZERO content for it, the format is closed and proprietary (so you can't import Akai, Ensoniq, Emu, Kurzweil, Soundfont, or even old Roland sampler multisamples!), and there is little 3rd party content because the format only works for ONE keyboard that is hardly selling like hotcakes, so all their work cannot be sold across multiple models.

The perfect storm!

Even multipads, Roland have failed to provide simple SMF import tools. A way to 'grab' a percussion or guitar strum from another style would be nice too, but no! You are on your own. As I have said many times, a function without content to the vast majority of arranger users is the same as no function in the first place! Imagine how well arrangers would sell if they didn't include ROM styles and you had to create your own..! Roland need to seriously rethink their policy about factory content (even if we have to buy it) if they intend to continue to include multipads and a sampler on future Roland arrangers (if there are any!)...
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DonM, it is not as complicated as folks think.. Once you understand the design and flow it works great... Matter of fact the main reason I want another E-A7 is because of the Sampler and pads..

No one I know or knew can use any sampler and get the results of Roland's factory team.. But for making playable expansion sounds as user tones... it works fine.. Even the 128mb sample ram works fine... You do not play from the ram but you make user tones that are stored on the flash drive..

I think this (sampler) is the most mis understood feature on the E-A7..


I have thousands of samples on my E-A7 flash drive. (8GB worth of sample content..)
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Thanks Fran,
I'd love to hear some of your samples.
If I get a second EA7 it will be easier for me to experiment more.
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Yes. Proof of the pudding, and all that!

The main problem with the sampler is that there is no multi sample import. Sure you can deconstruct a high-quality sample set from a soft sampler, or use software to extract the basic raw.wav files from a hardware sample set, but you cannot import an entire set of them in one go. Unlike just about every other sampler in the world. Multi sample import has been around since the 80s. That an instrument from 2018 doesn’t have it is outrageous.

Think about a basic drum kit, with say 40 sounds, and 4 velocities per sound (which is way less than is common in many modern soft sampler drum kits)... That’s 160 individual.wav’s to import and map to the same note and velocity ranges - which you are going to have to figure out from the original. That’s before you even start to work on any filters or envelopes, exclusive groups etc..

Who in their right mind wants to deal with all that, when on almost any other sampler, you can import the entire set, mapped and laid out, automatically…? Sure, if you are talking about very very basic sounds in a very basic range, with very few multi samples, you can do it. The problem is, the internal ROM sounds are already so good, how could you make something better without enormous effort? I would sure like Fran to post up some examples.

I worked extensively with Kurzweil’s in the 90s and 00‘s, and even with multi sample import, hard to get a result as good as the ROM. Coincidentally, my Kurzweil K2500 in the 90s had a maximum RAM of 128 MB. Here we are nearly 30 years later, and the E-A7 has exactly the same! In the meantime, the PA4X just had its RAM expanded to be able to access 8 GB of sound. I guess Roland has really bought into the whole 80’s revival thing not just with synths and drum machines! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but 80’s and 90’s samplers sucked compared with modern ones...

Both Korg and Yamaha have a ton of available factory and third party content for their samplers. That’s how you do it right. Not toss it out there without a single sound set for it. Once upon a time, Roland knew this. There was great support for their S series samplers. Hell, there’s even semi decent support for FA series. But the EA7? Go away, don’t bother us!

With the new OS for the PA4X, direct streaming of up to 8GB of sounds, truth is, if you need a sampler, don’t waste you efforts on Roland. It’s an afterthought.
3 weeks 3 days ago Last edit: 3 weeks 3 days ago by Diki.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the upgrade from Korg.
I have never relied on sampled sounds. I have only used the sampler for special effects, like vocal sounds or phrases.
Many years ago I had a really inexpensive Casio, with little bitty keys, but it had a primitive sampler. I would record things like,
"Hey more beer over here", or "Shut up woman", or "It's closing time, carry your 'tail' ".then play them back at different speeds for comedy effect. Even recorded a terrifying scream for "Marie LaVeaux". Just gimmicky things.
I'm pretty please with the sounds in the EA7. I use mostly guitars, piano, sax, organ, fiddle and harmonica. And it has good vocal sounds.
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FOR SALE Roland BK9 Excellent Condition #5504
Thanx all for the responses....the BK9 sits here still available if anyone is interested.
My latest project doesn't need an arranger KB, although I do like to sit down and play it for my own pleasure every so often.
The audio keys is a feature I always wanted to address down the road if the BK9 is still here by then. All else is very enjoyable
with a few improvements to the design & features Roland could very well have a major winner.
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Just curious as to what you are going to use in your non-arranger gig, Donny..?

TBH, I have used my BK9 (and before that, the G70) on every gig under every circumstance conceivable. Recording, full band, solo, duo, you name it. Just because it has an arranger built in doesn't mean you HAVE to use it!

About the only circumstance I can think of where the BK-9 might not be optimal is if you need a full sampler for special effects, or if you need multiple splits on one keyboard, and the latter is pretty tricky to pull off well in live situations (I prefer quickly changing Performances to call up alternate sounds to not risk accidentally playing across the split).

But I'll put the core sounds of the BK9 up against any one keyboard's soundset. Sure, you might find a bit better Hammond, or a bit better piano, or a bit better synths, etc., but not all in one affordable, lightweight 76 note keyboard. From country to cajun, from reggae to reggaeton, from R&B to R&R, the BK-9's soundset pretty much covers it all. A big enough keybed to cover most full piano needs, yet small enough and light enough to easily transport...

When someone calls me to do anything, I grab my BK9, knowing whatever they throw at me will be a snap for the BK-9 to handle!
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Diki all very valid points and now I am seriously debating to sell or not as in truth everything your saying is meaningful to a big degree for sure.
I never said I do not like the BK9 in fact I really have become enamored with it in many ways & enjoy playing it alot..
It really is a "jack of all trades" for just about anything musically.
I will probably decide to keep it and enjoy all of its attributes and remover all For sale advertisements too.
Thank you for the shot in the arm and encouragement I needed it.
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Your decision, obviously, but I think it's a decent choice to keep the BK-9 until you feel there is something that just utterly destroys it across the board. This kind of thinking has been one of the things that has kept my gear lust in check! Until something is just so overwhelmingly superior, what little you gain is always balanced by familiarity lost. Sticking to one keyboard for almost a decade (for each of the last two Roland's I owned, G1000 and G70 and almost certainly the BK-9) is probably the reason I can be so knowledgeable and speedy when asked to do anything. Chasing the odd new feature at the expense of having to redo one's entire songlist, registrations, and wrapping your head around a totally new OS and design philosophy always seemed a poor decision..!

I'm pretty familiar with most of the current crop of WS's and stage keyboards inside the BK-9's rough price point, and to be honest, nothing really wow's me any more. A Nord might be a better organ and Rhodes, a MODX might be a better synth, an Integra7 might have a better SN selection, but nothing has the complete package. Now add in all the BK-9's arranger, SMF/MP3 player and Live Loop stuff, even a few years later there really isn't anything short of TOTL $3500+ heavy arranger keyboards that can cover all the bases as well.

Trust me, if there were, I'd be using it!

One thing I have always felt is, take the keyboard out of the equation, and it all comes down to the player. I'd rather spend my time working on technique than looking longingly at each new offering as if it is the solution to a question we all know simply comes down to the player. A few years of familiarity allows a 100% concentration on the material and the performance, and I feel that always pays off in the end!

When something comes out so utterly superior to the BK-9 across all the bases, you'll know it in your bones, and the decision to migrate will be something you HAVE to do, not something you'd maybe like to, just for a change! I felt that way about the G1000/G70 transition, I felt that way about the G70/BK9 transition. Each one upped the bar a whole generation beyond the previous arranger (each one skipped a few models, especially the G1000/G70 move) and each one satisfied me for a good decade or so.

And that's ten years or so of simply working on PLAYING, not learning the OS, redoing the songlist, etc.. B)
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