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Audition styles on PC?

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Audition styles on PC? #5429
Is there a way to play Roland styles without using the keyboard? In other words from the PC?
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3 months 2 weeks ago Last edit: 3 months 2 weeks ago by loshk.
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Thanks. I actually knew about EMC. I'm looking for something free, just to play the styles and get some kind of idea of how they sound. Not really interested in editing or converting at this point,
With Yamaha styles, you can change the extension to .MID and they will play on the computer.
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There's always vArranger. Plays Roland styles no problem.

TBH, I'm not much of a fan of auditioning styles on a computer... You don't hear the same Tones and Kits, effects and balance, which can be an issue. Then you don't (in the case of changing the suffix - which only works with Yamaha's) get to hear the flow through the fills and transitions. All in all, a very blunt tool for figuring out if something's useful.

The clincher for me with the BK/EA series is that you can create your own folders on the USB media, so it's now possible to audition styles on the arranger itself without mixing them into the styles you regularly use. In my "My Rhythms' folder I have a folder called 'Audition Styles', in which I drag and drop entire folders of styles to try out. I can then happily hear them play the way I KNOW they will play in the instrument (because they are!) and if they all suck, easily delete the entire folder from the stick.

If I find a few I like, I open Makeup Tools on the ones I like, then do a 'Save' into a folder I have created called 'Works in Progress', where they can sit while I fine tune them in Makeup Tools before saving one more time to where I keep the styles that are finished, polished and ready to go.

Back with older arrangers, importing a whole folder of styles to try out used to be a mess trying to get rid of them when you were done. There was always the issue of either leaving some in, or accidentally deleting some you were using, as it all went in one huge list. But with the BK's nicely organized file and folder system, that's a thing of the past.

If you want to hear styles the way they will sound in your arranger, you MUST play them in your arranger!
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Diki, I agree and that's the way I've been doing it. Just downloaded a whole lot of styles today and thought I would give them a quick screening since my EA7 was left at work.
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Sounds like the perfect time to get a backup E-A7!

I still don't quite get the point of so many I read about having backup arrangers of different types. That's not a backup! You can't use your gig data, you have to spend twice the time setting up Performances/Registrations for each song, you have to unlearn all your habits on one keyboard to use the other... You basically at LEAST double the time you spend setting up for a gig, time better spent on new material than duplicating the same material.

Why do people put themselves through that?!

As light as your E-A7 is, though, why leave it at the gig if you don't have one at home? As long as you have a spare power supply and pedals etc. at home, it is the work of a couple of seconds to unplug it and pop it in a bag and walk out with it under your arm..!

For me, I never trust a style until I have given it the full Makeup Tools work-over. I have turned some pretty horrible sounding stuff into gems by some careful re-voicing, changing the kits and individual drums, adding MFX, muting parts that don't cut it, etc.. If I had auditioned them using some wanky soundfont in the first place, I'd have deleted them before they had a chance! If you want to give the styles the chance they deserve, find something else to do if your EA7 is at the gig, and wait until it's home to do the auditioning...

It has been a pipe dream for decades thinking some kind of computer auditioning system could work, but, let's face it... If a computer audition truly worked to hear the style properly, we'd be using them on the gig too! And something for free???

What are we, communists?!! :evil:
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All true Diki, I have considered getting a second EA7, but decided to wait until after NAMM "just in case".
The reason I left it Saturday was that I was very sick with cold and cough. I had to get a friend to come in and sing, and he did most of the night for me.
I plan to pick it up today, but now my wife is sick and I'm afraid to leave. Maybe this evening I can get loose.
I have basically ruled out a BK9, because of the length and heavier keys. Also the EA7 has some operating features missing or harder to use than on the BK9.
The 7 is quite a keyboard for the price. Especially the price I was able to get from a friend, Hammer. :) It originated with Fran, so we have passed it around a bit. Fran is waiting for me to sell it back to him, but that doesn't look likely.
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Get better soon!

I doubt NAMM is going to throw up anything completely unexpected. And it still doesn’t address the issue of an identical back up. Even if the show had something you wanted, you would still need two of them to have a proper back up.

The pace of new arranger launches has slowed to a crawl, which is fine by me! I am usually on about a 10 year cycle, so I really don’t feel the need to wait breathlessly for every last announcement! In my opinion, other than multi pads (which Roland have still failed to provide sufficient content for on the EA7), I feel that the feature list of the BK-9 is just about perfect. A chord sequencer, incredible sounds, and direct access to all data on the stick, for my needs it is perfect.

In all honesty, I don’t find the BK-9’s keybed to be stiff at all. In fact, it compares very nicely with the Korg PA4, or top Yamaha Tyros or Genos arrangers, albeit with out aftertouch. Although not quite as bad as a PSR, I find the actions on the BK5 (and I have heard it is the same on the EA7) a bit spongy for my taste. But I don’t feel them to be much lighter, just less ‘crisp’...

But, primarily for me, a chord sequencer is a must have on an arranger. I will never buy another arranger without one. As much as you play guitar parts, needing the bend lever extensively, I am surprised that you manage so well without a chord sequencer. Handing the rote chord input off to the sequencer after the first playthrough, and being able to solo freely with your left hand on the bend lever strikes me as guitar heaven!

If Roland were to combine the EA7 and the BK-9, with all its SN sounds, VK Organ and the multi pads and sampler from the EA7, I would be one happy boy..!

But hold my breath? Not in a million years LOL!
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Well, you never know. I do miss the chord sequencer though I don't use it as much as I should on the PA4X.
The idea of having two identical arrangers again is very appealing to me, and the low price of the EA7 will make that easier to achieve. I had two PA4Xs for a while and it was nice to be able to work on something at home and take it to work later.
I don't learn nearly as many new songs as I could because my audience wants to hear the "old" stuff. Mostly I play for old rich people from Texas and Louisiana. Not to say I don't work up new arrangements and I do try to learn anything, within reason, that someone requests that I don't know. I tell them next time they are back I'll do it for them.
I didn't get to pick up the kb today, so I'll probably not bring it home until after Saturday night. Spent most of the day nursing my wife through a really bad case of stomach flu of some kind.
Since the temperature is averaging around 70 this week, I'll probably play golf the next couple of days, so wouldn't be working on songs anyway.
The life of a musician does have its rewards! :)
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agreed Diki......I use a folder called My Styles and just audition the thousands I have in there at will....just use the search within the folder super easy.
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Don....I enjoyed that EA7 also...just sayin...
glad your enjoying ROLAND again you never sounded better then on a Roland IMO.
That said my BK9 is amazing me day by day!!
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It’s a shame you guys came rather late to the party, when it comes to Roland arrangers. I rather feel we have seen the end of any significant Roland interest in this market segment.

Strangely enough, I feel that Yamaha have finally addressed one of my major nitpicks with them, how anemic the drums used to be. The new Genos arranger has achieved an amazing turnaround in how good the drums sound . But until it trickles down to the lower PSR models, and that might be a good four or five years, the price point of Yamaha’s top-of-the-line model put it completely out of most peoples’ range.

But they still need to add the chord sequencer before I will even look at them. Korg recognized how good the feature is, maybe Yamaha will as well? And, who knows? Maybe even Roland will decide to include it on all future models! Have you started to use it much yet, Donny?
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I had Rolands for years, G800, G70, E50, E80, BK7m. The first two gained weight and became too heavy as I got older and having back troubles. Same with E80. A friend was moving it for me, stumbled and fell out the door onto concrete. Banged him up pretty bad, but the E80 didn't have a scratch!
The E50 I used for a long time, but of course it had its shortcomings. I really enjoyed the BK7m, controlled by 61 note controller. I had 50 different functions a button push away. I was moving around a lot and it was a chore to hook up all the peripheral devices, cables, power supplies, etc.. At the time i said that if Roland ever brought our a keyboard version of it, I would love it.
That's pretty much what the EA7 is. As usual they took some things away, but added some new and improved ones.
I haven't given up on Roland...yet. :)
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Well, I was rather more talking about the BK-9, which seems to have garnered a hot reputation now it is no longer in production!

At 21 lbs for a 76, it is definitely easily transportable by even us old f*rts! I have it in an SKB hard ABS case with wheels, and the total weight is still quite a bit lighter than the G70 alone... I never did see the point in an E80, though. It weighed way more than the G70, with only a 61 keybed!

I'm not sure what it is about the BK-9 that makes it a hot ticket now when it was such a miss when in production. It still sounds the same..! I rather feel the lukewarm reception for the BK-9 (priced around the E60 range, not the G70/E80 range, at that) is what has directly led to no TOTL or even MOTL Roland arranger available at all. The E-A7 is an interesting duck, but has dropped so many of Roland's best things about the BK-9 I hardly consider it related at all.

Between the E-A7 and the BK-9, there is an amazing arranger waiting to get made. The best features of both, a bit better design and integration of all the features (two simple Performance Links would have got us text for styles and Chord Sequence/Performances, like Korg have) and you have a solid challenge to anything currently made, at a fraction of the price. But poor sales of the BK-9 may have doomed us to these mediocrity arrangers from now on...

Such a shame! :(
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The EA7 actually fits pretty well with what I do, but the one you describe would be Heaven!
I finally brought mine home Saturday night, then discovered I forgot the power adapter, and can't get it until Tuesday, since they are closed Sunday and Monday. I just ordered another power supply. Thought I had a backup but couldn't find it.
Nothing to play here except the old PA4X. :) I do look for Korg to come out with a replacement this year, and it might well be really super.
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