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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly?

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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #913
When playing a style with Piano lets say......then you jump to another sound using your favorites list menu to lets say All Skate organ, Trumpet, etc, or Brass,...many times the volume of the sound is too loud for the mix and you have to make the adjustment to lower it using the drawbar.......would using an EV5 pedal assigned to the up1,up2 etc, give me better Vol control on the fly vs the drawbar adjustment and allow me to keep my hands on the keys or is there a better way to do this?..
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #914
Update.....
Just hooked up the EV5 set it to 1 or 2 using the side knob and it really makes a difference and allows me better control of the vol of the sounds while playing..
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #922
I know it's more expensive, but I highly recommend Roland's EV-7 foot-controller as well as the EV-5 for people that come either from an organ background or want finer control of the volume of Parts.

It has a much longer throw, reminiscent of the B3 (or the Yamaha FC7, which many of us may have used at one time or another), and offers finer control, and the ability to 'pump' the organ sim (a standard technique for the B3).

Personally, although I use one quite a bit of the time (I keep my EV-7 in the studio), I find the short throw of the EV-5 much harder to control accurately. It's a lot more like a guitar volume pedal, and a guitar usually has an amplifier (or amp sim) to further compress the dynamics before you hear it. No such help with most keyboard patches!

There is another cute trick you can achieve with the expression pedal (one of several!)...

Let's say you have two different Tones you want to switch between but have no time to lift both hands from the keyboard (and don't have an FC-7 switch unit). Set the Expression Pedal Down value for one Part to 127, Up = 0, and the other Part Down=0 and Up=127.

Now, as you play, a simple change from up to down on the pedal completely changes the Tone..! Simple!

Obviously, all kinds of other shading tricks, layers popping in and out etc. can come from this technique, varied a bit. And, if you use a Chord Sequence or SMF/mp3 backing, you have up to four different Tones to bring in and out with varying amounts of Expression pedal. Add to that how you can set Tones to sound only in a specified velocity range also, that's a boatload of control to make your sounds evolve, change and avoid sounding static...
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #923
Thanks for all the info and great ideas on how to use pedals never thought of it that way. .....very interesting I must try soon.
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #1095
Another way of controlling lead sounds in a mix is to reduce the velocity sensitivity of the lead sound Part. Set it to Low, and the sound's overall dynamic range will diminish, allowing you to not worry quite so much about playing forcefully to make it 'pop'!

In fact, in the case of synth leads, most of those (especially old school, pre-90's stuff) were done with synths that had no velocity sensitivity at all. So, if preparing a Performance for an old school synthpop tune, try turning the velocity to Fixed on the lead sound and then just adjust the velocity until it has the timbre you need. (EDIT: Then adjust the mixer volume to get it to the right volume)

I tend to reserve one RH Part for comps, pianos. Rhodes, etc. and have that at High velocity dynamics, and one for leads, set to either Low or Medium. Plus, I can set the Global Chorus to Delay (set to track tempo) and put that on the lead Part just enough to give it that lead solo type delay... Then, no matter what lead sound I select, it's got a bit of lead delay no matter what MFX it has.

But, on the whole, it sounds as if your initial problem is mostly due to you wanting to go 'old school' and select sounds and styles on the fly rather than setting them up on a per song basis and using the Performance List to make sure that lead sounds are correctly set in advance.

I know it's tempting to go old school, but with so many sounds, effects, styles, mixer settings, Part volumes and all the other things we never had back in the old days, the idea of trying to run the whole thing on the fly is getting harder and harder to justify.

Nowadays, I tend to make separate Performances for different song sections if I need to make sound changes on the fly. The Roland will switch with no glitches, so why put yourself through hoops doing a bunch of stuff when one press on the Performance Up button will do the whole thing for you?! B)
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #1096
Nowadays, I tend to make separate Performances for different song sections if I need to make sound changes on the fly. The Roland will switch with no glitches, so why put yourself through hoops doing a bunch of stuff when one press on the Performance Up button will do the whole thing for you?!

GREAT ADVICE/TIP for 'on the fly' playing
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #1100
Diki thanx for all the great tips and uses....some really great info on this topic here for sure.
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #2820
DNJ, you must really be liking that BK9, you've had it for over a month! :)
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #2874

DonM wrote: DNJ, you must really be liking that BK9, you've had it for over a month! :)


When does the new PSR come out? :evil: :lol:
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #2877
I'll just ignore the nay Sayers,......that said I am REALLY enjoying my BK9
and I don't have to tell anyone here what a fantastic keyboard it is in so many ways.
PSR is not n my vocabulary any more.
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #2878
Glad you like. But you'll be checking out the next PSR. :)
I am really enjoying the EA7, now that I have spent enough time with it to be comfortable with operating it in real time.
Strangely enough, I'm not having much problem with the volume on the lead voices. If it's a little off, just move the slider.
I have one of the assignable buttons set to change the lead voice and I'm finding that very useful to toggle between R1,R2 and R3.
I have the foot control set for Intro 1, as it often works as a break/fill. And I have a button for ritarding the tempo if I want to slow down the ending. This is also easily accomplished on Yamaha by double pushing the ending button.
My other foot is on the Harmony M vocalizer on/off foot switch. My Yamaha sustain pedal isn't working with the EA7, but I know there is surely one in my collection that will work.
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #2879
Don that's great news...I knew you would tame the EA7 for your needs, I know you will find a suitable sustain pedal also..
it is definitely a model that flew under the radar and is quite honestly the best bang for the buck on the market today in an arranger KB.
Not to mention it sounds terriffic also !
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #2880
Aha! The light comes on... :lol:

Welcome Donny, didn't realize KeyPro52 was you!

Don, that Yamaha pedal OUGHT to work, but check, if it's a TRS plug, that you don't have any switches on the pedal itself set to 'continuous' rather than 'switch' (like many Roland pedals do).
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #2882
No switches on the pedal, but it's really old and may have loose wire.
Thanks!
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Best way to control lead sound volumes on the fly? #2883
Some time ago I purchase the pedal that only comes with the Roland PK9( bass pedals. -Special order from Roland Spares since this pedal is not sold separately through retailers.

This pedals incorporate left and right toe switches.

It comes with a DIN plug which I cut off. metered out the conductors and soldered a stereo jack for volume control etc... and two mono jacks which can be used for sustain. changing registrations etc...

I first got the idea of using one of these from seeing a Yamaha demonstrator using one when playing Tyros and Genos for his non-Yamaha gigs !!
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