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Using BK-7M with a digital piano

2 weeks 1 day ago
EezeeListen
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Using BK-7M with a digital piano #827
Hello from Ireland,
I would like to ask a member if they know is it possible to use the Roland BK-7M module with a Yamaha (sorry!) CVP 705 digital piano?
Many thanks if anyone can help,
Mike

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2 weeks 23 hours ago 2 weeks 23 hours ago by Diki.
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Using BK-7M with a digital piano #828
Simple answer... Yes!

More complex answer... it depends on what you want to do with it, and how much effort you want to put into integrating the two..!

The BK-7m has a MIDI Wizard which allows you to simply 'mirror' the Splits and Tones, controls etc. with one MIDI channel. So the simplest way to use it would be to set it up this way, then trigger it from the piano.

But perhaps you are going to want different setups for different songs, with the Yamaha's style engine playing some, but using a Roland sound as lead, or the Roland style engine playing some, with a Yamaha sound as lead... This is going to take a more complex setup, and much will depend on whether you can save Registrations on the Yamaha (or whatever Yamaha call complete setups on the Clavinova) that allow you to direct the MIDI and sounds where you want them. Obviously, to play a Roland sound in the Upper area of the piano but NOT have the piano playing as well, you are going to have to turn off the piano sound, or split the piano and turn off the MIDI for the Upper Part, etc..

Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on what you'd like to be able to do, and I can get a bit more specific...

BTW, the BK-7m does have an FC-7 (7 switch pedal unit) input, which allows you to control a LOT of the arranger operation with your feet (I'd put it to the left of the piano's pedals), which will make running it while playing a lot easier, given how far away from the piano's keyboard you are going to have to put the BK-7m.

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Using BK-7M with a digital piano #830
Hello Diki,
Thank you very much for your detailed reply, which was both informative and useful. I also have a Roland FR-7 "V" accordion and I know that the BK-7M will be ok with this, but I just wanted to be able to play the CVP much like I did when I had the arranger workstation keyboards. As you know, the CVP is equipped to be able to perform a bit like an arranger keyboard, but it is limited. I initially bought it for it's fantastic piano voices as I am first and foremost a pianist rather than a keyboard player as such. I admire those who can make the digital keyboards "sing" and produce such outstanding performances. I will never be able to achieve this, but I do enjoy the choice to play songs in the style of arranger keyboards ~ nothing too adventurous, just easy listening songs.
I think your answer has made up my mind that the BK-7M will be able to satisfy my needs and I will let you know how I cope when I have bought one. Very hard to come by here in Ireland and the 2 that I have found in music shops are, as most things are here, very expensive, more than the usual price, so I will have to have a look at ebay, maybe Thomann's in Germany. At the moment they have nothing.
Many thanks again Diki.
Best wishes, Mike

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Using BK-7M with a digital piano #831
I use a BK-7m MIDI'd to a Tyros 5 (which is pretty similar to your Clavinova) and it works very well. I do have an FC-7 to control the arranger functions.

This setup is great and it allows me to do some things that no TOTL arranger can- such as play a MIDI and a style at the same time; have a MIDI chord progression control the style with mark and jump, etc. It also allows me to use my preferred Roland Chord Intelligence (instead of the built-in chord recognition modes on the Tyros), although the Yamaha modes are available if I should want them.

Yamaha has the most add-on styles, a big screen, and a pretty good score viewer. So this approach really is the best of both worlds. Since the Roland is a module, it doesn't take up much more room compared to the Tyros by itself. Arranger modules are a good thing. When they're midi'd to another arranger, they can be a GREAT thing!
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Using BK-7M with a digital piano #832
Perhaps you can detail how you connect the two (one MIDI channel or separate for different Parts, etc.), how you call up the Performances on both (do you have to do both separately, or do you use something MIDI to call both up at the same time?), and I am especially interested in how you pull off using the sequencer with M/J to control the Yamaha's style (do you use a dedicated channel for NTA?)...

I've long thought two different manufacturers' arrangers, linked together, could offer the ultimate arranger experience, but I've always been dismayed that there are no common MIDI codes for stuff like Variation and Fill change, transposition, Intro and Ending selection etc.. Imagine a 'frankenstyle' with the drums from a Roland, the guitars from a Yamaha, the lead sounds a combination of both..!

But control of the whole thing seems an uphill battle until the manufacturers standardize the codes for Divisions. Your solution seems very inventive. I'd love to hear more.

Is this something you can manage on a gig, or is it something that takes too much time between setups to be able to use in a live situation (having to change a bunch of stuff between songs to allow for different ways of using it) and is best for playing at home, where time between songs doesn't really matter?

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Using BK-7M with a digital piano #834
Hello Ted, and thank you very much for your reply. I am definitely going to purchase one when one becomes available. Thomann's have none in stock with a 6 week minimum waiting time. There IS one up in Limerick, but their asking price (a music shop) is extortionate. There is one other available on ebay in UK, but their shipping cost is ridiculous! I think I will put an order in with Thomann's and wait patiently :)
Best wishes Ted,
Mike

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Using BK-7M with a digital piano #835
Good hunting!

While I don't use my BK-7m for primary duties (my BK-9 gets that task), I have found it to be an awesome little module for guerrilla gigs with my keytar.

I only wish Roland would come out with a successor, with the BK-9 Chord Sequencer, the E-A7's multipads, and the BK-9's SuperNatural sounds... I'd buy one in a flash!

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