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Integra7 with Roland arrangers

2 months 18 hours ago 2 months 18 hours ago by Fran.
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Integra7 with Roland arrangers #794
Integra7

My first impression of the newest member of my family..Integra7.

If you have a studio, or want the absolute best overall sound source, this is a must get..

In past years I tried to use a G1000 and XV5080 together, but they didn't play well together..

The Integra7 has none of the issues the 5080(and g1000) had..

It is compatible with the G70 and the BK9.. Also works well with MixCraft pro 8 (DAW)..

A bonus, the version 2 editor with the DAW, eliminates the need for the ipad apps..

I found myself getting comfortable with the Integra7 front panel..

Now about the sounds.. I spent hours listening to all the great arranger keyboards with the best sounds,
namely 2 or 3.. Yamaha Genos, SD90, and BK9 ..

Much to my surprise, the Integra7 wins hands down ( because the SuperNatural sounds are that good).

Even with the strenght of Ketron bass and drums.. not only does the I7 match up... it surpasses Ketron
drums and bass (with SN sounds).. The V-drums are unbeatable..

With 256 SN acoustic sounds on board plus 6 more expansion boards (SN virtual boards).. It is loaded for bear..

After I purchased the BK9, I was disappointed, that I could not use the SN sounds in style or SMF's.

I tried some old MIDI tricks, but ran into too many obstacles with GM resets..

Then I decided to get the Integra7.. I was fairly sure I could get it to work for me.

What I wanted to do... assign supernatural sounds to my styles (band).. I only needed the basic players.
V-drums, V-piano, bass, jazz guitar.. I could add the color sounds in my right hand..again SN sounds..

I had to turn off the GM and GM2 resets as well as program change.. I only needed this single set up.
Save it as a studio set up.

It works like a charm..I just bring up a style, play the style with the I7 studio set up.

I found the better of the 2 keyboards for this combination is the G70 over the BK9.
It is faster and easier to mute style parts (also easy with volume sliders on the BK9).

The availble SRX sounds (12 virtual boards), add to the value..
Also motion sound, sounds teriffic...

You can also download from axial.com more sounds if the 6,000 sounds aren't enough.

The sound finder works great ..sort of like a vst search in your DAW..

More to come after a few more days with the integra7..
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1 month 4 weeks ago
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Integra7 with Roland arrangers #795
Nice. Look forward to some demos.

It sure would be nice if Roland extracted that finger from up their... Well, you know where! And got around to allowing Styles/Rhythms to have any PC/32/00 code you want.

Bet you they'd sell a boatload more Integra7's if they did!

But hey, when did Roland ever do anything that made financial sense?! :dry: :evil:

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Integra7 with Roland arrangers #796
BTW, Fran, here's an idea... Have you tried using the BK-9 to play the G70's Guitar Mode?

Now you can have multiple Drum Tracks, you could put the trigger notes into a Drum Part (no transposition), and have a separate normal Parts for the chord info. And you'd still have a Part or two for drums!

Oh, and if you run the BK's MIDI through an iPad on its way to the Integra7, look into some utilities that might be able to remap the PC/32/00's of the ROM sounds to the codes of the Integra. I think, with one of those, you could use full normal styles that called up your favorite SN sounds, rather than being tied to a static setup...

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Integra7 with Roland arrangers #797
nice...waiting for more tests and results.

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1 month 4 weeks ago
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Integra7 with Roland arrangers #799
Here is a youtube demo on my channel.. I used Supernatural sounds..


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1 month 4 weeks ago 1 month 4 weeks ago by Diki.
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Integra7 with Roland arrangers #801
I'm guessing a piano SMF, Fran?

It starts off OK, but then when the player moves upstairs, it rather sounds like a piano part played through a guitar sound. Is this what you did? The voicings sound more like piano voicings than guitar ones, too. Those close seconds are a dead giveaway!

In fairness, you could have done this on the BK-9. The SN jazz guitar is pretty much the same as the Integra's, and the jazz bass and kits are good even though not SN.

This somewhat illustrates part of the problem with the SN sounds (it exists for the Yammie and Korg articulated sounds, too)... Unless the original file is actually played on those sounds, much of the realism is lost as the player's articulation doesn't leverage the strengths of the new sounds.

IF I were to suggest an edit, Fran, it would be to take all the stuff where the file goes up too high (any past the BK-9's top E starts to sound fake, IMO) and transpose just the solo stuff back down an octave, leaving the comping where it is.

I don't know if you have them, but PG Music used to have a series called The Guitarist (like their excellent Pianist series) that the files were played on MIDI guitars, so voicings and range were correct. I imagine these played through the SN guitars would be quite realistic, but putting piano parts into a jazz guitar sound requires a fair bit of editing!

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Integra7 with Roland arrangers #803
I mentioned on SynthZone that this was taking from piano sequences and it was out of range for guitar..I thought I mentioned it here , but looks like I did not;;

Yes I have the PG music programs .. Guitarist is loaded on an older PC in storage..

I wanted to show how the SN guitar reacts to the left hand piano part.. It sounds realistic, If I cut the upper midi range of the piano, eliminating the piano action.. it would sound better.. Better yet If I copied the upper part of the midi track to another track and used the piano for that section,,,

Diki I really find that the G70 is the better controller for the Integra7, for ease to get around.. The PC integra7 editor works great...does most of what the ipad editor does.. You have to run it as a pluggin within your DAW.. but will still function, even while you use another PC program..

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No problem, Fran. I haven't dropped in at SZ for a bit, missed where you posted this there.

The bits where the LH just comps really does work well, but also as soon as he starts to block around with both hands, again the voicings just don't work (more than six notes, for starters!). Again, this might be an excellent place to do a guitar Part on the G70's Guitar Mode, save that as an SMF, then play it into the SN guitars. I bet that would sound awesome!

One thing I really loved about the Guitar Mode in the G70 (that afaik Korg's Guitar mode doesn't do) was to voice up and down the neck depending on how high or low in the recognition area you played the chord. It was really cool to hear it go from open chords to mid-neck voicings as you played the chord higher...

I'm curious as to what in the G70 makes it the better controller for the Integra... It suffers the same problem as the BK-9, in not being able to call up the sounds from a style, right?

I had another idea about that, as well. Have you tried using an SMF in one Performance to send the codes to the Integra for the Tones and effects depths, etc., and then switching to another Performance with the style you want, Linked to a MIDI set that has all the MIDI of that Part defeated except the notes? That way, the style shouldn't reset the Tone, right?

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1 month 3 weeks ago
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The G70 allows some things that we can't do on the BK9..
I write a Studio set on the Integra7.. assigning my SN drums, bass and jazz guitar to the parts that will control the style from the G70.. I mute the other parts on the Studio set and turn off the program recieve on the I7..

Now I write a user program on the G70.. I send the style parts that will be played using I7 sounds via separate outputs on the G70, same as muting the G70 sounds. The remaining style parts can be playing G70 sounds and controlled by style part muting if I desire.. from the G70... This is made easier because of the touch screen,,

It is a matter of writing a user program for the G70, and a Studio set for the Integra7.. Then select whatever style you want to play..
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1 month 3 weeks ago
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Integra7 with Roland arrangers #807
OK, I think I understand. You are setting up one UPG so you can use the I7 if you want, and the G70 if you haven't got the I7 with you, right?

To do the same thing on the BK-9, I'd simply make two Performances, call them SONG and SONG-I7 and have them next to each other in a Performance List, or make separate Performance list by using COPY LIST for with and without the I7.

TBH, the BK-9 solution (or you could do it this way in the G70 with different UPS's) is simpler, you wouldn't have to touch the mute buttons at all... simply choose the UPS/PL for whether you have the I7 with you or not! This is basically what I have trained myself to do with the BK-9. Rather than using the G70's admittedly better control screen and buttons, simply set up Performances so I don't have to use them at all... it's much faster on the gig, less to think about, more time to front and interact with the audience. B)

And the problem you have with using the direct outs on the G70 is it is still using up the G70's polyphony for sounds unheard, robbing you of voices for what you want to play...

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It's in the 'Action' dropdown at the top and bottom of the page.

It bugs me a bit that every time I post, I have to uncheck the subscribe box, I'd rather the default was with the box unchecked!

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