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Using Super Natural sounds with A BK9 (style)

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Using Super Natural sounds with A BK9 (style) #748
I previously mentioned that a short coming on the BK9 was the fact we can't use the SN tones assigned to style parts or SMF parts..

Back in the 80's I use to use MIDI in ways that allowed me to do things not made aware by Roland..

I decided to try some old tricks and got some positive results.. I will further try to correct some issues when I get a chance..

But here is what I know about SN and styles on the BK.

By turning the local off and routing a cable from the Midi in to the Midi out of the BK9.. Go into MIDI edit and select the matching part/MIDI channel , and select the realtime TX channel Upper 1 , channel 4 that the SN part is assigned..

Now when you play the style that part will play the SN tone...… but be aware after a measure the default tone takes place...We need to defeat the reset or program change so the tone will not change...

I will experiment more on this and also see if I can get SMF's to assign a part to the realtime SN tone...

Has anyone else tried this concept?

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3 weeks 3 days ago 3 weeks 3 days ago by Diki.
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Using Super Natural sounds with A BK9 (style) #749
I've messed around with this concept, Fran, but it gets so convoluted that it's not really practical on a gig. The idea is to send a PC/32/00 for an SN sound to the style engine, then turn off the reception of further PC/32/00 codes, so the embedded style Tone codes can't change it. This means hand selecting MIDI Sets for the correct routing in between having the sequencer send the codes via MIDI, then the different Set for the style to play.

All in all, it's just not an easy thing to do. In fairness, you also have to remember that SN sounds can use a fair bit of polyphony and CPU for all that poly/mono recognition and multiple oscillators for switching articulations (you can try layering up to four of them with the Keyboard Parts, and notice how things can get a hair sluggish depending on the Tones).

However, although I haven't tried it yet (I just don't like the idea of hauling around a laptop and all its cords and stuff for live gigs when the BK does it all by itself), there is nothing to stop you trying to use a laptop/iPad/tablet running a MIDI remapping program to remap the Style PC/32/00 code to the Keyboard Part SN code. At least this way you wouldn't need to swap MIDI Sets and reception parameters. But don't forget, AFAIK, those SN sounds can only be played on the Keyboard Part channels, so if you use one or two for style use, those are Parts you can't play yourself...

In fairness, the first generation or so of S.Art sounds in the Yamaha Tyros's couldn't be used by the style engine either, that came later on. So Roland aren't exactly trailing, except for how long it took to develop the technology. If Roland haven't abandoned TOTL/MOTL arrangers altogether, there's a good chance the next generation of the BK-9 might have the juice to run SN for styles and SMF's.

BK-9 BK-7m G70. Kurzweil K2500S, Korg Triton. Samick upright piano. iMac 27", HR824 monitors.

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Using Super Natural sounds with A BK9 (style) #750
Mind you, if this is a serious need and not simply a technical exercise, I'd suggest grabbing a s/h Integra7 module, which has a far higher number of SN sounds, and polyphony would not be an issue. There's also the chance that it can either ignore incoming PC/32/00 codes (and use a 'setup' type feature to select the SN Tones you need), or maybe even remap them.

Have you started using styles a lot more these days, Fran? I seem to recall you (like me) tend to prefer either SMF's or audio backing for the majority of your gig. If you use audio, there's always the option of using a DAW to play the style parts into the BK-9 for the SN sounds and recording to audio for the backing.

Don't forget, there's also the issue of transposition of styles triggering SN guitar Parts. If you use the chord dampening notes or knock notes, etc. (like Yamaha's Mega Voice guitar parts in styles), if you transpose the Part, those dampening notes might get transposed to other sounds or out of the dampening range. Yamaha get round this by not transposing the trigger notes, but Roland's don't have this feature.

I'm guessing that the SN guitars are your primary want for this idea, right? In fairness, most of the other SN sounds can be done almost as well with normal Tones and decent programming, particularly buried in a style's mix. But yes, those guitars would be nice in a style!

BK-9 BK-7m G70. Kurzweil K2500S, Korg Triton. Samick upright piano. iMac 27", HR824 monitors.

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