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Question about BK9 and ipad apps
2 weeks 2 days ago 2 weeks 2 days ago by Fran. Reason: add info
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Question about BK9 and ipad apps #648
I don't use any Apple products, but I am considering an ipad if this can use the Roland apps in this way..

Since you need to use the USB for a wireless adapter or a camera kit to the ipad… we have no USB SMF;s etc..

Can someone tell me if using the apps with the BK9, can you still have an option to play SMF's from the ipad and show lyrics , while using the apps for navigation of the BK9.

If you can not do this ...I have no interest in the apps... Since the BK9 can be set up to work by itself with a little effort..

I just miss a touch screen//

I know I can still use my Android tablet to play SMF's and see lyrics via the BK inputs.. But I am using sound fonts ...good but not up to Roland standards.

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2 weeks 1 day ago
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Question about BK9 and ipad apps #652
The iPad or other MIDI/USB devices use the square USB port on the back of the BK-9, Fran. So you CAN use your tablet and still use the normal BK USB stick memory. The Camera Connection Kit cable is slot at the iPad/tablet end and square at the BK end.

You can also use USB MIDI to send the SMF from your lyrics app (if it is MIDI capable) to the BK, so no need for wanky soundfonts! It is only the stupid Roland wireless dongle that uses the one slot type USB port, rendering the BK useless if you need the stick for memory...

The iPad BK9 Editor is quite handy, but not essential. It can speed up Performance creation and editing, but it does nothing to address the Makeup Tools or the Sequencer, so it doesn't really negate the need to go menu diving much.

As far as using the iPad apps at the same time, I'm not really sure about iPad multitasking. I would think it might be complicated, as the iPad would be sending (or merging) two different MIDI streams at the same time, but I can't say definitively, as I don't use one. If you use the built in soundfonts in the iPad, yes, I'm pretty sure it could do that and navigate the BK9, but merging two separate MIDI streams before sending might be more difficult. You definitely need to get an answer from someone who uses one about this issue. I could be worrying about nothing.

TBH, I do very little navigation while playing live. I set my Performances up in advance, and map any live controls I might need to the MFX and CC sliders. Then all I have to do is scroll the List, or use the Favorites button in Performance List mode to jump 8 Performances at a time through the List (kind of like paging through the G70's UPS in groups of 10). I also have radically increased my usage of multiple Performances for the same song, so that a lot of the things that used to be touchscreen stuff now simply takes a Performance change. Same with Tone changes during songs... Not having three UPR Parts, for different sounds in a song, I'll use two Performances to call what I need up for Verse/Chorus and Solo sections, etc. That's probably my main workflow change from the G70, and once you get used to it, it actually equates to fewer button presses while you play (plus you can always task two FC-7 switches to go Perf. Up/Down so you can do it hands-free).

I have been doing OK without an iPad. I'm not really a fan of style mode, I find the basslines and passing chords very unmusical, so needed lyrics work fine with SMF's and MP3's (I'm using those a lot more these days). Yes, the BK9 Editor is nice (I've used it on a few friend's iPads), but once you get used to the Performance Edit menu structure, you can get around fairly quickly anyway. And, as I said, for Makeup Tools and Sequencer work (especially Makeup Tools, which I probably use more than anything else) it doesn't work at all. And that's what I'd REALLY like it to do!

BK-9 BK-7m G70. Kurzweil K2500S, Korg Triton. Samick upright piano. iMac 27", HR824 monitors.

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2 weeks 1 day ago
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Question about BK9 and ipad apps #656
Thanks Diki, You gave me the info I was looking for.. I will borrow an Ipad from Uncle Dave and play around with the apps... but most likely I will not use one on the gig.. As for the lyrics I can still see them on the BK screen..

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2 weeks 1 day ago
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Question about BK9 and ipad apps #658
I think the apps, particularly the BK9 Editor, is of most use when initially creating a lot of Performances, Nowadays, with several hundred already made, I can generally pick a Performance that has the keyboard Tones and layout I need from existing ones, then add the resource (SMF, MP3, style, etc.) and save. Nice and simple...

I guess you DO know it can read (to a certain extent) G70 UPS's and UPG's? IIRC, that was added in one of the OS updates, so you might need the update readme pdf's...

Obviously, it ignores UPR3 and LWR2 Parts, and any SRX codes are going to end up being wrong Tones, but it might give you a leg up on putting some keyboard layouts together quickly.

BTW, there IS a sys-ex workaround that can layer LWR1 and MBS polyphonically, but it's a PITA. You have to set up all 4 Keyboard Parts in Whole Mode, then use sys-ex commands from an SMF to tell each Part to set a specific range it will receive in. As usual, in normal operation, if you split the keyboard then put LWR and MBS together, MBS goes monophonic and plays a low note (either the root of the chord or bottom played note if BassInv. is ON) no matter what octave it is set to.

If you have some G70 layouts with layered LWR1/LWR2 Parts and you can't do without them, this at least WILL work...

Don't forget to check out the ROM style OTS's... There are some nice layouts there, that you can always add to SMF's or MP3's later.

BK-9 BK-7m G70. Kurzweil K2500S, Korg Triton. Samick upright piano. iMac 27", HR824 monitors.

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