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Designating a style track to NOT transpose?
3 weeks 4 hours ago
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Designating a style track to NOT transpose? #635
Is there any way on Roland's to tell the arranger NOT to transpose a track? In other words, play the notes exactly as recorded??

I know for certain that Yamaha and Korg can do this. I also know that the BK's can have more than one drum track, (which is NEVER transposed based on recognized chords.) Perhaps I could designate one of the accompaniment tracks as a drum track, but then use the "note" data to drive an external sound module like the SD1000, which will sound non-drum instrument tones??

So why would I want to do this??
-Song with a complicated bass line that I want to remain intact, while still playing the rest of the arrangement with a style
-Add multipads or "riff mode" to Roland arrangers that don't already have them

Last question: On the E-A7, do the multipads follow the played chords? If so, is there an option to prevent them from doing so?? Thanks guys!!

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2 weeks 6 days ago 2 weeks 6 days ago by Diki.
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Designating a style track to NOT transpose? #639
I think the two issues possibly preventing your using an external module to get a pitched non-transposing track are, a) the pitch IS fixed. that is, you can only play in the key you program it in. It wouldn't be able to recognize the key you start anything in. I guess that's OK if you program the style for the one song and never need to transpose it, though.

And b), AFAIK, you can only use ROM Tone PC/32/00 codes in styles, so, unless the Tone in the external module uses the same exact code as a Roland ROM Tone, you can't get the track to address it. But if you can program the module to receive a code and remap it to an Internal Tone, and the module doesn't restrict you to only choosing Drumkits on CH.10 (I'm not 100% sure, but I think that Drum Tracks have to transmit on Ch.10, don't they?), then this might work...

I know Korg's are quite flexible, but I wasn't aware that Yamaha's can do pitched Tone non-transposing tracks. Are you sure about this?

BTW, we have the E-A7 manuals (along with many other Roland arranger manuals) in our Files section, so if you would like to look up how the E-A7 deals with multipads, you can check the manual...

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2 weeks 6 days ago 2 weeks 6 days ago by cando614.
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Designating a style track to NOT transpose? #641
I am certain. Open any Yamaha manual MOTL or better and search for "NTR." Yamaha and Korg have WAY more user style control parameters. Roland may indeed have them, they're just not accessible through the Style Composer interface. The only thing I can think of like this in a Roland is the Intro Ending Alteration (the intent is to prevent intros and endings with melodic phrases from being transposed by the arranger engine.)

What I'm thinking is to designate one of the six accompaniment tracks as a drum track by inserting the event CC 00 111 at the beginning of the track. Configure the MIDI to only send note data, and not program changes. The external sound module won't know that the "notes" are supposed to be drum sounds, and they won't be transposed based on the played chord. Anyhow, it's an idea. If I try it I'll post an update for everyone's benefit.

I did read the E-A7 manual. It's not 100% clear on whether multipads are transposed with the style or not. Again, Yamaha and Korg have this as a user-selectable parameter. Don't get me wrong, I love Roland, probably my favorite brand right now (and they're all very capable.) I would just like to be able to do everything with the one board instead of relying on these creative workarounds. I really wish they would read this stuff and get back in the TOTL game!

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2 weeks 4 days ago 2 weeks 4 days ago by Diki.
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Designating a style track to NOT transpose? #642
I guess that's something of our issue right there. Roland no longer even make an arranger that could be classed as 'MOTL' if you consider the PSR970 or PA1000 as MOTL. The E-A7 at $1300US is the top model currently on offer, with the $999 BK-5 as the next in line. Do any of Yamaha or Korg's offerings in this price bracket offer those features you want?

Now, on the other hand, you are right from a historical perspective. When Roland were making TOTL and MOTL arrangers (G70, BK-9 etc.) the style composers didn't have the extensive user control that Y&K give.

I've mentioned on other threads though... The odds of anything like this appearing are, IMHO, pretty bad. Roland seem to stick to their vision of what an arranger should be able to do no matter what the user base seems to say. It took them over 20 years of users begging for multipads before they appeared in the E-A7, and even when they put them in, they failed to make hardly any of them, forcing the user to do all the work that Y&K provide for free (same with the sampler in the E-A7 - no content, very little memory). Roland users been begging for a Break/Fill feature for as long as Y&K have had one (again, over 20 years, IIRC). Still Roland cling stubbornly to their guns. Roland invented the Chord Sequencer, dropped it after the G1000, took 15+ years of complaining to get it back again, and then only on the BK-9 (and they refused to fix the bug where it doesn't transpose, and refused to Link the stored CS's with a Performance, like Korg did).

Roland don't seem to have a clue what their customers want, and even when they finally get the message, do something so half-hearted it really doesn't make them competitive again. So, bottom line, I love what you are saying, I too would love to see a more comprehensive Style Composer along the lines of Y&K, but I hate to say it, but I think your odds of getting it are next to zero.

Particularly at the price point that Roland have decided they want to make arrangers in any more.... :dry:

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