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Roland BK performance files

4 months 1 week ago
trebleclef
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Roland BK performance files #485
Hello.

I am editing a UPS file from a Roland BK-3 with a hex editor on my PC. It allows easier editing than on the keyboard itself. Does anyone know if I have to update a checksum after editing the file?

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Roland BK performance files #486
what are you modifying in the files. Did you figured out the function of all values.

I'm actually working on a control panel using the CTRLR software to edit all the parameters instead to did through all the menus.

More about in 2 - 3 weeks when I'll have complete the basic version. It will be usefull to build performances and also to modify parameters during live playing.

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4 months 1 week ago
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Roland BK performance files #487
Just a guess, but if you are concerned about the checksum, why not look at a couple of different UPS files and see if the checksum is different? Make two identical UPS's from the BK, alter one of them in the BK, and save. Are the checksums still the same?

I would imagine that if they aren't, then yes you probably need to update the checksum...

BK-9 BK-7m G70. Kurzweil K2500S, Korg Triton. Samick upright piano. iMac 27", HR824 monitors.

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Roland BK performance files #488
Hi. All I am doing is changing performance names and style names. Also, copying and pasting performances. You have to be careful though as the individual performances are at a set length. Changing other data would be an advantage but it's just a pain finding the value you need to edit within the UPS file.

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Roland BK performance files #490
I seem to remember a PC BK series editor... gesini.com/gerd-product.htm

Are you sure you aren't trying to do something already done?

BK-9 BK-7m G70. Kurzweil K2500S, Korg Triton. Samick upright piano. iMac 27", HR824 monitors.

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Roland BK performance files #492
I've come across the GERD program before, but I want to do it for free. You can download a trial of the GERD software but it doesn't allow import and export of performance files. 68 euros is too much to pay just to copy and paste and change a few names.

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Roland BK performance files #493
I also see that program some weeks ago. It's not only a performance editor but also a control panel for live performance.
I was finding it very interesting.
The only thing is that I can't download the trial software. I also tried to contact them for some informations for compatibility with the BK3 but never get any reply.
So I don't know if this site still realy alive or not.

I want to have a contact with them and able to tried the demo before send many Euro oversea. ( I'm canadian)

If somebody is able to get it let me know.

In the mean time, that's why I turn over CTRLR. So I can build a control panel the way I want it. I know it need a lot of work to get it up and running but it's also more gratifying to create something by myself. Also it's a very good way to learn all the MIDI commands to drive the mechanics under the hood.

After mastering all this it's easy to build an interface for any MIDI driven rig.

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4 months 1 week ago
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Roland BK performance files #498

trebleclef wrote: I've come across the GERD program before, but I want to do it for free. You can download a trial of the GERD software but it doesn't allow import and export of performance files. 68 euros is too much to pay just to copy and paste and change a few names.


You do realize, you CAN copy and paste from one Performance List to another? It was added in a OS update to the BK series (and may not be mentioned in the original PDF manual)...

I admit, yes, 68 Euro may be a bit much for just this feature, but then again, how many weeks or months are you spending on trying to do this yourselves? What is your time worth to you..?

Perhaps a few emails with 'URGENT! Trying to buy GERD!!' as the title might get you noticed?!

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Roland BK performance files #499
Hello.

I'm now finding it quite interesting editing a files data with a hex editor. If I can find the values that change when a setting is stored on the BK, maybe I could write a Python program to change UPS files, just like GERD. Check this space in a decade and I might have got somewhere. I would have to do a lot of file comparisons to find the various parameters, unless Roland will give me the technical specifications for the UPS filetype, but I doubt that very much.

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Roland BK performance files #500

trebleclef wrote: Check this space in a decade and I might have got somewhere.


I wonder what we will all be playing in a decade? :lol: :evil:

Mind you, I hope I'm still playing my BK-9... I got 12 years out of the G1000 and 9 years or so out of the G70!

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Roland BK performance files #501
The G1000 was brilliant. Is the BK-9 better sounding than it? On the VA-7, I use the SC-88 version of the piano rather than the default newer one. I just prefer it. It seems to have more depth. I dont know what came over me to think that a BK-3 would sound better than the G800/G1000. Responses on Quora said that even the newer low end Roland model like the BK-3 would sound better than the G1000 because of more memory for samples. I blindly agreed. What a fool...

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Roland BK performance files #502
IMHO, the BK-9 is the best sounding, most capable arranger Roland ever made.

Sadly, few realized it at the time, and many were put off by the lighter weight build quality and the dropping of several TOTL features (3UPR/2LWR, touch screen, aftertouch, direct outs) that had previously had G1000's, G70's and E80's.

But, having still got one of my G70's to compare to my BK-9, basically every single area of sound is improved. MUCH better guitars, MUCH better VK B3 sim, strings, basses, drums, you name it, the BK-9 does it better. The SN guitar sounds are amazing (not as big a fan of the SN saxes), there are 5 MFX to play with, and everything runs from an easy to backup USB2 stick.

And throws in a Chord Sequencer to boot, audio recording and playback and live audio loops. And shaves 25lbs off the weight while still including a non-aftertouch 76 that is easily as good as those on Genos, PA4X etc. (but no aftertouch).

For the life of me, I still to this day cannot figure out why this was not the best selling Roland arranger ever made. I guess many just wanted a G90, more of the same, but the BK-9 was really more of a souped up (way past the G70) E60. At an E60 price.

If you can find a used one (rare as hen's teeth!) grab it and be amazed. I love mine, and I think I was as enthusiastic a G70 (and G1000) user as Roland ever had. I still have a G70, and have hardly touched it since the day I got my BK-9. It really is THAT good!

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