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Help for E-50's sequencer...
2 months 4 weeks ago
Naakkeli
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Help for E-50's sequencer... #394
Hi again everybody!

I have a problem: I would like to do the backing sequnces for my gigs thereby that I'd use the E-50's own rhythm styles for drum track and normal MIDI Files (created from 'bass line' sheet music by Finale) for bass track.
I think how can I create this kind of drum track...

Bars 1-2 Strummlin' Pop INTRO 2
Bars 3-9 Strummlin' Pop VARIATION 1
Bar 10 Srummlin' Pop FILL 2 UP
Bars 11-17 Strummlin' Pop VARIATION 3
Bar 18 Strummlin' Pop FILL 3 Down
Bars 19-25 Strummlin' Pop VARIATION 2
etc.
So the Drum track has created.

... and then my Bass MIDI File from the file to Bass Track


Anybody help me...?

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2 months 4 weeks ago
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Help for E-50's sequencer... #395
If I remember correctly, there is no way to merge two MIDI files in the E/G series sequencer.

You will need to use a computer sequencer/DAW.

Create the drum MIDI file by recording the arranger into the internal sequencer, then either USB or Card transfer the file into a computer. Then use the computer sequencer's Import feature to first open the drum file, then open the bass file, and line them up there. Then save it as one merged file and transfer back to the E50.

I could be wrong (check the manual), but I think this is the only way to do it.

If you plan on doing this quite a lot, it wouldn't hurt to record the drums (and ACC, if you like) for most of your favorite styles, doing each Division (unless you use them a lot, maybe just Intro1 and 2), and store them in your computer so you can cut and paste them later.

If you are recording the ACC, I suggest that you slow the tempo WAY down while recording (and speed it back up afterwards), which will minimize any little 'glitches' if you hit a chord fractionally late.

If you don't have a DAW/Sequencer yet, Reaper is a very good cross-platform program, and the demo (with no time limit on it) is free. Or the base versions of Cubase or Logic will do this job, but they aren't free.

In all honesty, I haven't really used a keyboard's internal sequencer for much in the last 30 years. Seeing everything nice and clear on a computer screen makes life SO much easier than squinting at a tiny little display, with no mouse drag and drop, etc.!

Even if all you have is an iPad, there are iPad versions of Cubase and Garage band... and other sequencers.

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2 months 4 weeks ago
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Help for E-50's sequencer... #396
Hi again, Diki!

And thanks for your answer.

My idea is, that if possible, I’d write that Rhythm Styles Variation etc. Changes in step-by-step -mode (with PRG & CC#) on Drum Track... and then I add the Bass Track from MIDI File.
Of course I know It’s possible to do with external sequencer either hardware or software, but that my idea would be so easy to use.
I have Logic and some Cubase Limited Edition version... does E-50 send the Rhythm Styles Note Information (note-by-note) via MIDI from MIDI OUT or USB MIDI?

Still I hope that you understand my poor English... sorry

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2 months 4 weeks ago 2 months 4 weeks ago by Diki.
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Help for E-50's sequencer... #397
Yes, if your MIDI Set has the arranger Parts set to transmit MIDI (both MIDI Out and USB, if you have the E/G series drivers for your computer), you can record the actual note data into an external sequencer. But...

I honestly find that the timing is a hair tighter if you record to the internal sequencer in the arranger, then transfer that sequence over to a computer. Because the arranger sends out some sys-ex for things like Makeup Tool changes, MFX settings, things like that, to be honest I don't think USB is tight enough at times. You can find things on tick two that are supposed to be on tick one, or sometimes moved around even more so. Not that you can actually HEAR it usually, but when doing cut/copy/paste in a sequencer, it helps to know that everything is exactly where it should be.

I know it's an extra step to do it that way, but it may save you a few editing headaches down the road.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you thinking that putting the Style Division PC#'s on the arranger's 16-Track Sequencer's drum track will trigger the style's Parts? I honestly don't think you can do that, can you? I believe that Yamaha's can run SMF's and styles at the same time, but I don't think Roland's can do that...

Correct me if I'm wrong and you have already succeeded at doing this. I have never tried.

You could do it from an external sequencer, as long as the channel is the NTA channel (and the Roland is set up for reception).

I guess that you aren't willing to actually play the chords into the arranger, and have the sequencer record the entire song? Don't forget, as I said, you can always slow the song WAY down, play the chords slowly (so you have plenty of time to play them correctly and in time) and then speed it back up later...

Do you play keyboards at all?

BTW, your English is fine. Well done!

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2 months 4 weeks ago
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Help for E-50's sequencer... #399
Hi again, Maestro Diki!

Of course I play keyboard... I do a variety of gigs;
One-Man-Band (very wide scale)
Duo w/ guitarist (Traditional Finnish Dance Music)
Piano & Double Bass Duo (Jazz, Standards & Entertainment)
Trio or Quartet (Traditional Finnish Dance Music)
Quintet (Rock Standard)

I use Kawai Stage Piano with my E-50 - I control E-50’s Arranger Pianist Chords from Kawai via MIDI and I play by E-50 mainly INTROs, obligatos, INTERLUDEs, solos etc.
And I’ve made E-50’s all 144 User Programs for my gig’s repertoire (I’d need these more...) that it’s so easy to select only song (=User Program) and every parameter is ready to play at once - it’s very professional!
Also I’ve modified almost all inside Styles... and made somewhat own Styles.

This my latest idea is... I would like that the songs would be an authentic with original songs - fills, attacks, breaks, rhytm styles changes etc. In other words, like a commercial MIDI FILEs, but own myself made (’cause I can’t find the Finnish Tradional Dance Music in MIDI Files and the rhythm styles are so difficult to make). E-50 has a lot of fantastic Styles... very useable!
And ’cause I’ve wrote over 300 Sheet Music for Bass by my repertoire, as though I have these Bass Tracks already in MIDI File too (Finale Export the MIDI Files... RIGHT!).

This is my case in ’nutshell’.


Sincerely, A Little Perfectionist


PS. I have also the very old KORG X5D, which is modified with ’inside power supply’ and ’music stand/rest’ - and it’s still fantastic instrument with Editor Software (by SoundTower)

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2 months 3 weeks ago 2 months 3 weeks ago by Diki.
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Help for E-50's sequencer... #408
But to return to my question...

I think you are under the impression you can put the Division MIDI codes for a style into the arranger's 16-track sequencer and have it play the style. I am pretty sure you can't do that.

Have you found a way?

My system for making a MIDI file from a song is simply to record the song (as MIDI, into the arranger's 16-Track Sequencer), slowed down a bit to give me time to play the chords perfectly, and still be able to trigger fills and variations, etc.. Then, if acceptable just as it is, use that, if not, transfer the .MID file to a computer sequencer for some additional editing...

Just make sure you don't record the LH or RH Parts. JUST the style (it will be easier to hear if you have made a small timing error).

One of the things I like to do is mess around a bit with the fills. You'll never hear a drummer play the exact same fill twice, LOL! So I might go into the drum track and alter them a little bit. You can also add some 'ghost notes' on the snare, subtle things that make all the difference between what a machine does and what a real drummer does.

I also often replace the bass-line with my own, or edit a bit of voice leading (walking or moving to the next chord) into it, to make it sound more realistic. Same with string or horn lines...

In your case, I'd try playing the whole song and putting into the computer sequencer, then if you really like the generated bass-line from the other program, replace out the arranger's one with that.

BTW, don't forget to add those four Markers for the Mark/Jump feature. They are incredibly useful for restructuring the song when you play it live (extra solos, jump back to an earlier verse if you want the dancers dancing longer, etc.)!

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