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4 months 3 weeks ago 4 months 3 weeks ago by Willem52.
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G-70 Keyboard #528
I do not know it these are the VA ROM styles, but I could find a package
of 128 VA Styles converted for Roland G-70 and E-80:

roland-arranger.com/index.php/styles/133...ed-for-g-70-and-e-80

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4 months 3 weeks ago
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G-70 Keyboard #529
This is what I got from emailing Roland. Hope this helps???

Roland Product Support (Roland Corporation)
Jun 18, 1:09 PM PDT

Hello Ruth,

The .STL file format was used pretty widely in Roland arranger keyboards, so if all of your styles are in this format, they should be able to be played back on both the G-70 and E-80.

However, each keyboard does have some differences in sounds and functions, so it is possible that these are causing the issues you mentioned. We have not seen a converter or application that can make a STL file from one instrument 100% compatible with other arrangers, so they may have to try to load them and manually adjust the parameters - and this may still not result in the exact same playback.

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4 months 3 weeks ago
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G-70 Keyboard #530
This is pretty much what one should expect from Roland, Ruthie. They do their best, but obviously, backwards compatibility with styles from quite different models is always a hit or miss affair. There was a pretty linear progression through the G800/1000 to V/VA's to G/E series (G70, E80/60/50) but other models outside the standard arranger line had differences, and even the V/VA line had the dropped Variphrase technology that only made it to that one series.

My suggestion to take a look at that package of VA styles and look for styles with the same names as those you are using on your floppies would be the place I'd start if determined to continue to use the legacy styles.

But, as I suggested quite a while back, perhaps now is the time to take a fresh look at the songs you did, and to look at the G70 ROM styles and pick newer, fresher styles for them. If not playing out and you have plenty of time, you don't face the pressure of preparing for a gig, and can take your time! You might also find many tunes that suggest themselves as you listen to these new styles.

Roland aren't really acknowledging that some of the KF styles completely lock up the G70/E80, but their explanation is right on. Give those VA styles a try and see if they have fewer issues.

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4 months 3 weeks ago
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Can't even begin to express my appreciation for working so hard to make the old styles work for me. I have been doing just what u recommended and am not only using the updated styles I learned from u where they are located, but am going thru every style I have and was shocked to see how many excellent ones are there that I didn't realize were useable. It's like u both opened up a new keyboard for me and am loving it!! Yes, I have all the time to redo those songs with the old styles and if it hadn't been for u and Willem helping me, they would have gone unnoticed. That's embarrassing for me, after all, I've had the G-70 for 11 years. What a waste on my part. I can't thank u both for teaching me more about my G-70. Thanks a bunch for both of your hard work and all that time u put into my question. It was not all for not because I learned a lot more than I ever expected!!! THANKS soooooooo much.

Ruthie

P.S. This forum is so lucky to have both of you.
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4 months 3 weeks ago
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BTW, Ruthie, if you can find one (or modify a Korg one), I always found the FC-7 7-switch pedal amazingly useful. I'm guessing you play piano properly, and the G70's Pianostyle Mode is pretty good at following fairly conventional pianistic playing, but of course that ties up your hands...

Putting basic stuff like Variation changes (with auto-fill on), BassInversion, ACC on/off, and Ending on the pedal allowed me to pretty much do a song hands free as far as button pushing goes, and just use my non-sustain foot to trigger them. If you played any organ, you've already got the skills, but even if not, it takes very little practice to be able to hit the right one without looking.

Try a simple jazz trio/quartet approach, a jazz style, only bass and drums and maybe rhythm jazz guitar, Dynamic Arranger on (so it follows your dynamics!) and just play normal piano...

You really get the feeling that the rhythm section is listening to YOU..!

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4 months 3 weeks ago
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G-70 Keyboard #533
I've been researching the Korg switch pedal that has 5 inputs and trying to find an adapter for FC-7 Roland switch pedal but could only find a 6 pin adapter. Any how, I'm now watching on eBay a FC-7 that has scratches (big deal) but supposedly functions properly. It ends tomorrow and there's 2 bidding against each other so I doubt I'll have a chance. But am going to go for it.

In the meantime, I have a EV5 pedal and three other pedals I hooked up 2 to the other two outlets. The hold pedal does it's thing, but the other pedal will only do one variation but it's better than nothing or shuts the rhythm on and off.

Yes, I not only play the organ, had 3 yrs. of lessons on an organ and played for churches and weddings in my day including pipe organs. That is not an issue. I also have used only the bass in left and regular piano when my husband and I were the entertainment at the RV park in AZ.

I'm just having a ball with the Cover and the new styles that came with the 3rd upgrade and setting up the keyboard more professionally than I had been doing. I'll still keep the Korg switch pedal in mind but not being very electrical in conforming it I would need for the company which I buy it from see if they could do it. Believe it or not, I'm pretty fast in changing the variations and observing the beat to keep on playing.

Will keep u advised on the FC-7.

Ruthie

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4 months 3 weeks ago
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G-70 Keyboard #535
I think on the G70, the extra pedal input can do Variation Up/Down. Even if you don't get your Korg pedal wired (I doubt there's an off the shelf adaptor, you'll probably need to get someone decently versed in soldering skills to simply put a DIN plug of the Roland variety on it... the polarity is the same for both pedals), you can still do a Variation Up as you progress through the piece, then hand select the lower Variation when you go back to a Verse, etc..

Yes, for 'normal' arranger play (LH chord, RH solo) your LH usually has enough time for pressing the buttons, but once you move to a more normal full piano chord recognition, that LH is a lot more tied up. That's when I find the FC-7 rather more essential!

Should you ever move to a BK-9, the BK series has an even better Pianostyle mode. It takes three notes played to trigger a new chord on the G/E series, but the BK's have a mode (Pianist2) that has three notes before a new chord with the sustain up, but five notes before a new chord is recognized while the sustain is down. It is absolutely amazing! I had to think carefully and adjust my playing a hair on the old 'three notes no matter what' system, but with five simultaneous notes needed (not held, they have to be played) with the sustain down, I can pretty much switch my mind off and just play normally.

I think this ought to be the standard for all Pianostyle modes on all arranger from now on. It simply is that good! Combined with the BassInv ON and the Dynamic Arranger ON, it is basically flawless.

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4 months 3 weeks ago 4 months 3 weeks ago by Diki.
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G-70 Keyboard #536
Here is a pin out chart for the FC-7, so anyone decent with a soldering iron ought to be able to wire up your EC5 (or build an adaptor cable) to use with the G70.

Me, I'd go with the used FC-7, those extra 2 more pedals come in pretty handy!

BTW, those function assignments in the PDF are from when the FC-7 used to be hard-wired to functions on older Roland's. All you need to do is make sure they are wired in the correct order, and with newer Roland's (like yours) you can assign anything available to whatever switch you want. Sadly, even after repeated requests Roland have never allowed a different layout for each Performance, it is a global assignment. I always felt you need very different functions for style mode, SMF mode and playing with a live band, but so far, no joy.

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4 months 2 weeks ago
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Diki, I missed two used FC-7 but going after a 3rd. He lists it as a Roland FC-7 MIDI Controller. I wrote and asked him if the cable was converted to a MIDI which I doubt, but from what I understand the Roland FC-7 is not a MIDI. Am I right??

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4 months 2 weeks ago
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Ruthie, you are right about it.
The FC-7 is technically just 7 switches in a box with connection cable, not MIDI.

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4 months 2 weeks ago 4 months 2 weeks ago by Diki.
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Just make sure the seller isn't trying to pass it off as anything more than it is... You don't mention price, but make sure he's not trying to ask more than the other ones.

It is an easy mistake to confuse the 5 pin DIN MIDI connector for the 7 pin DIN connector used on the FC-7...

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After I wrote him to ask if he had changed the cable to a midi, he changed the description to Roland FC-7 controller and listed all the keyboards it would work on. The other one I watched that sold was ending at $168.00 + shipping. This one I'm bidding on was there all that time and started at $40.00 + shipping and description was in good working order as the other one was described pretty much word for word. Funny thing the 2nd bid was the same person who got the first one. Thought that was rather strange. Others have joined in since and that person hasn't submitted a bid since then. Also, one was listed as F***u (0) which we both know what that means but doesn't show a bid. Gee, why are people so mean. Anyway, there's someone else bidding against me every time I have to increase my bid. Last bid $51.00 but have 4 days left. I'll go to $100.00 and maybe a little more depending on how much it goes up each time and there are 10 watchers. Oh, well, this is war! LOL

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4 months 2 weeks ago
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Your alternative if these hard to find FC-7's end up too expensive is to talk to a tech in your area and look at having something built. We no longer have the links since the old forum lost most of its posts, but several members posted pics of home-built FC-7 substitutes they had constructed. Give that PDF to any competent tech and he could probably cobble you a substitute. Because there is no power, no MIDI involved, and all it is is seven momentary switches of the correct polarity, a wide variety of alternatives can be used.

You could even buy seven regular switch pedals like these: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PedalSqu...o-sp-1-sustain-pedal (make sure they are switchable polarity so you can retask them for other keyboards if you need to) and get someone to make a bank of input jacks wired to a male 7 pin DIN, then arrange them on the floor to your preferred layout.

Lots of ways to skin a cat! :woohoo:

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Thanks, Diki. Oh yes, there's always a way to skin a cat. Noticed it is a switchable polarity.

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4 months 2 weeks ago 4 months 1 week ago by Diki.
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I usually buy switchable pedals whenever they don't cost a lot more than fixed polarity. I have Roland's, Korg's, Kurzweil's, and you never know what you'll have in the future...

Might as well make sure whatever you have works with all of them!

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