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G-70 Keyboard
1 month 1 day ago
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G-70 Keyboard #403
Can u insert a recorded floppy made on a KF-90 into a G-70 keyboard

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1 month 4 hours ago 1 month 4 hours ago by Diki.
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Have you tried? :P

There shouldn't be any problems inserting it, they both use the same kind of double-sided floppies.

But whether the G70 can read it, that's a different issue! I looked at the KF manual, and there's no info in there on format, other than insisting that the floppy be formatted in the KF. But Roland tend to insist on that even when keyboards can read standard Windows formatted floppies.

You don't say whether you want to transfer SMF's or Styles...

I think possibly the easier solution is, can your computer read the floppies from the KF? If so, you can hook up the computer and G70 via USB and transfer the files that way (read the manual for the correct procedure, you will need a driver for your computer). If your computer can't read the floppies, it's doubtful the G70 can (but try anyway!).

Don't forget to open the 'write protect' tab and prevent writing, so that the disk cannot be accidentally written to (and possibly corrupted if the formats are not compatible).

The KF goes back to 2002, I think by then Roland were starting to use standard Windows formatting, so I think the odds are it should work. And SMF compatibility should be fine (.MID files). But there are no guarantees the styles will transfer (they will need to be in .STH format for the floppy, I think, and .STY for USB transfer, but I'm not 100% sure on that, it's been a while since I even touched a floppy!), or, if they do, they may not sound identical. You may need to do a bit of Makeup Tools work once they get in the G70 to make them sound their best with the slightly different soundset in the G70. It probably won't be a ton of work, but there were some slight differences in drumkit balances and things like that.

Hope this helps.

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1 month 3 hours ago
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WOW, I will be reading this over a bit b/c it's been so long since I played the KF-90 (gave it to my musical son) to remember about the formatting thing. I really miss some of the styles the KF-90 had and that was why I wanted to see if I could use the styles I recorded on the floppy discs from the KF-90 and only insert but not necessarily transfer them to the G-70. And yes, it's styles I wanted to incorporate into the G-70.

Will follow the "don't forget to open the Write protect tab.

Will insert and see what happens!

Thanks again, Diki. Been a long time since I was on the old forum with u.

Ruth

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1 month 3 hours ago 1 month 3 hours ago by Diki.
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Yes, it has been a while, Ruthie. Good to hear from you again.

I believe that, once you get the G70 to play the style from the floppy (if it works), you can store the style in the G70's Internal memory (if there's room) or on the Card (if you have one in there).

You might as well do that, to save yourself the bother in future of having to pop the floppy in every time you want to use it. Plus, as I said earlier, I bet you can make the style sound even better if you use a bit of Makeup Tools magic on it!

Do you know the exact names of any of the styles? There's a chance that the same styles might have been available for the G1000/800, which were contemporaries of the KF-90. There are plenty of sites up with the original G800/1000 ROM styles...

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3 weeks 5 days ago
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Taking your advice and ordered a floppy disk drive and it's suppose to be here tomorrow. Thought that idea would be the safest. Looked up the G800, WOW, the base sound on it is so smooth and beautiful! Did u mean the G800 styles are available to download and then transfer to the G-70? Anyway, thought u might be interested to know I'm 75 yrs. young and been playing piano since I was 7. I know I haven't set my keyboard up as one younger than I would do but I'm going to be studying this Summer to improve myself in the technology. Anyway, thanks again and I'll let u know what happens when I get the floppy disk drive.

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3 weeks 4 days ago
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Er... why did you order a floppy drive? Doesn't your G70 already have one in it? Or does it not work?

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3 weeks 2 days ago
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Hope I haven't repeated this for the third time but here goes. My floppy disk connected to the IMac comes out KF900001.STL and when I click on it nothing happens. Tried dragging it to desktop, tried dropping it into iTunes and it wouldn't stay there. It opens in "Preview" and computer can't read it. Had one floppy that had .MID and it played and why that only one have no idea. U said if the computer wouldn't recognize it it most probably wouldn't work in my G-70. Couldn't find anywhere on my computer to try and change the .STL to .MID, so with your help, I assume the G-70 won't be able to read it either. If that be the case, just want to thank u for all your patience, time and effort in trying to resolve my question.

Thanks again, Diki

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3 weeks 2 days ago 3 weeks 2 days ago by Willem52.
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A standard computer can't do anything with an Arranger Style file (.STL).
It needs to be loaded into and started on an Roland Arranger to be able
to do what it is supposed to do. It is an Arranger accompaniment file.

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3 weeks 2 days ago
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Okie dokie, I guess I will try it on my G-70 then and quite worrying about destroying my keyboard! Thanks for the continued assistance!!!

Ruthie

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3 weeks 2 days ago
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I inserted KF-90 disk and it did play. However.......originally on the KF-90 I named them like this "24 01 Take Me Home Country Road" meaning Book 24 page 01 then, of course the name of the Song. The floppy disk still says KF900001.STL and nothing else. I did write on the disk which book it was for but have no idea which song or style was used. I have at least 50 floppies and did try another one and same thing. Is there anyway the text will come up so as to know which song I used for that particular style?

Thanks again!

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3 weeks 2 days ago 3 weeks 1 day ago by Diki.
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Unless you still have a KF, I rather doubt it. Obviously, there is some sort of indexing in the KF that doesn't translate to the G70.

I think, if I am correct in reading how you did this, you added the names in the KF. So what you had was similar to a G70 UPG... A 'pointer' in the KF's database to a style on a disk. So you obviously did not rename the file on the disk, you just told the KF which file you needed for that particular song.

There's one slim chance that perhaps the data DID get written to the disk, but it is in a format the G70 can't read. Do you have a computer with a floppy drive? Or a friend with one? Perhaps there's a file on the floppy that is not an STY/STH file, which might be the KF's database. Is there anything on the disk other than style files?

Now, this is where it gets technical... If there is a file with the database on it, it might be possible for some computer savvy friend to open it in a text app, or something that looks at the raw data. And, once again, a slim chance that the data is laid out in a way that associates the song titles you entered with the style file names.

Last option that I can think of... If you have a computer with a floppy drive, try opening the floppy disk and doing a 'Get Info' on a style file. There's a slim chance that the song information you entered is contained in the file's metadata, not the file name.

Don't get your hopes too high. My best guess is that info is gone, but it's worth trying my ideas. And, of course, there's always the option of trying to see if you can find anyone with a KF in your area and taking your disks over and finding out which style the entries used..!

Personally, I tend to try to redo all my songbook entries when I get a new arranger. I know it's a ton of work, but basically, if you use the same styles from before, what exactly is the POINT of a new arranger? You end up sounding exactly the same..! :dry: You are missing out on the opportunity to find newer, better styles, or the opportunity to try doing a song in a slightly different style and get away from the same ol', same ol'... B)

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3 weeks 1 day ago 3 weeks 1 day ago by Willem52.
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G-70 Keyboard #466
Actually, how a name of a User program or Style is read, depends on the Arranger O.S.

In the older systems they used to read the first xxx bytes in the file for that information, or they used the name from the file on the media. In the later systems the O.S. is looking on other places in the file too. Thus you can see different names on different Arrangers for the same file. Just edit the name on the currently used system is the cure.

By adding the KF files to the Roland G-70 memory and being indexed by the O.S. database, you can edit/change the name to what you want it to be.

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3 weeks 1 day ago
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Hi, Willem52, appreciate your input. Not very technical incline with your comment. However, I can change or edit the name, but my problem is not knowing which style it is that I put with the song I chose to use with that style. Hopefully, that answered your idea.

Ruth

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3 weeks 1 day ago
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Well, Diki, I inserted the floppy, actually, 2 different ones, and no luck with the name of the song I played with the style I chose. Anyway, the style played but, the bass went in and out depending on the key I stroked in the left hand. Believe I will just forget it and start over. I first have to buy or, hopefully, find the song on line and copy it b/c the 2 huge binders we had when we played as the entertainers in AZ are just chords and my husband played guitar and sang. Anyway, the reason I got the G-70 because the park we played out made us move our complete music stuff, 3 roland speakers, etc. to another house and we had to set it up an take it down every time we played and the KF-90 was a heavy instrument plus all the rest of the gear that goes along with doing gigs. Any how, have no one in Springfield, MO we know that has a KF-90 and I gave mine to my very musical son who lives in Oregon. It's just not worth the trouble to send the floppies to him and the floppy disk drive was broken when I sent it to him. Regardless, your idea to use my G-70 to the fullest and forget the KF-90 disks. I'm 75 yrs. old and, ha, really don't have the time to waste on these old floppies after I've found what an ordeal it is. Will spend the rest of my time on learning how to use the different tweets on my G-70. Know I can do better in getting more wonderful sounds out of it.

One question though, could u let me know what particular new style was added to the G-70 after I updated to the 3 version? Just wondering if I did actually do it right and got the new styles that I should have gotten.

In any event, want to thank u very much for all the time, patience and effort u have done for me. Roland forum has never disappointed me and so glad to have u as moderator!!!

Ruthie

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3 weeks 1 day ago
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The following Styles were new with upgrade to Roland G-70 V3 O.S:

Amazing Gospel.STL , Big Apple Band.STL , DJ Groove.STL , Earth Boogie.STL
Epic Movie.STL , French Java.STL , Friendly Beat.STL , Orchestral Samba.STL ,
Romantic 6_8.STL , Schlag Disco Fox.STL , Schlager 6_8.STL , The Unplugged.STL ,
Wahoo Groove.STL , Western Movie.STL

and possibly also:

Gold Beat.STL , Gold Bossa.STL , Gold Cha Cha.STL , Gold Disco.STL ,
Gold Euro March.STL , Gold Foxtrot.STL , Gold Jive.STL , Gold Medium Beat.STL ,
Gold Rhumba.STL , Gold Samba.STL , Gold Slow Beat.STL , Gold Slow Waltz.STL ,
Gold Swing.STL , Gold Tango.STL , Gold Wien Waltz.STL

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