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E-50 Internal Styles missing...

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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6385
Hi again Guys!

Now I have a BIG problem... I've transfer via USB my Gig Set from computer to E-50's External (CompactFlash) and/or Internal memory.
Transfer was OK, but when I've tried to Load my User Programs I get a error message 'Disk Error' always.
I've tried to all kinds of variations to return settings... and now there is NOTHING Internal Styles inside - every Rhythm Style says 'Style Not Found' !!!
Can anyone help me... the whole is messed up (after Factory Reset too) - and I don't wanna cancel my gigs!

Regards, Nasse
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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6386
I hope you backed up your E50 before you did this. I believe I noted that if you move the User styles from Internal to the Card, the UPG's will no longer work (they are looking for the styles where they were when you created the UPG's).

I believe there used to be a database manager software for PC's that helped move everything around maintaining the links, but I'm Mac, so never used it. Perhaps someone else can chime in here and help out..?

Bottom line, if you need your E50 for a gig quickly, first choice would be to roll back to wherever the styles used to be (in the Internal memory) and the UPG/UPS should work fine. If you have a bit more time and know which styles went with each UPG (if you don't, roll back to your backup and make notes about them) then call up the UPG's and load in the User style now on the card and re-save them and then re-save the UPS.

I just hope you backed up your memory before you did anything drastic. It is a good habit for doing ANYTHING, updating your phone/tablet, working on your computer, preparing new songs on your arranger...
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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6387
The above is all assuming you only moved the User Styles from Internal to External. I hope you didn't move the ROMSTYLES folder with the factory styles in them... They absolutely HAVE to remain on the Internal Memory.

You didn't mention whether all your UPG's referred to User Styles or the ROM Styles... If they referred to ROM Styles and you didn't move the ROMSTYLES folder and you are getting a 'file not found', you have a different issue.

Is the UPS folder still on the Internal memory? To be honest, I can't remember if moving UPS's to the Card mattered as long as the linked files (UPG's, styles & SMF's) were still in the same place they were when the UPG/UPS was created. I don't think I ever did that.

Fact is, only the styles and SMF's ever used up much space. So I think I tended to leave my UPG's and UPS's on the Internal memory and only had my styles and SMF's on my Card. But that was probably mostly because I didn't get a Card until I started to run out of room on the Internal memory (a couple of the OS updates took up more room than they had in V1.0).
1 month 1 day ago Last edit: 1 month 1 day ago by Diki.
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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6388
By the way, don't feel too bad that the E50 doesn't keep track of everything and can't move stuff around without losing track of it unlike a computer can...

Pretty much ALL arrangers (and most keyboards) are incapable of tracking data moves from one location to another all by themselves. They usually need a computer program to re-link the data after the move (some kind of database manager) or need the user to do so manually themselves.

It is the same with the BK series and the E-A7. Move the resources around, and you get the same 'file not found' error. If you think about it, it is quite a complex task for any device to keep track of what you have done to the data, even more so when you moved the data around on a different device (your computer vs. your arranger). Each and every entry that referred to the data now needs updating with the position of the newly moved file. Move a few hundred, or a few thousand files around (!) and each and every UPG/UPS that used to use that file now has to be rewritten for the new location...

Computers do this easily, but hardware keyboards seldom if ever have the computing horsepower and complex 'Finder' systems to allow this.
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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6389
Hi, Diki!

And thank you for your answer! I'm a Mac User also... so I don't use that G70 Database Manager.
I've been so nervous that I've changed and transfer all files already, so my E-50 is TOTAL OUT! :(
I've just sent a message to my friend who is official Roland Service in Finland, if maybe he has a some kind of 'Factory Repair File' for this kind of problems.
I think that I have the 'new keyboard purchasing' my front... :(

I haven't any this kind of troubles with Technics Keyboards about 20 years ago - there was always the 'Factory Presets' in ROM and you can't modified that...

PS. Do you still understand me (my English)...?
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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6390
I succeed... now my device is like an after Factory - it's good start! ;)

Edited: And I succeed also to return my settings !!! B)
1 month 1 day ago Last edit: 1 month 1 day ago by Naakkeli.
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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6391
One of the big advantages that being able to mess with the ROM styles folder is that, unlike most arranges, you can replace the ROM styles with edited versions of your own using a computer. I believe we have an article on the site somewhere about it. But be aware, your edited style must be named identically.

Most arranges, the ROM styles are what they are. But for instance if you like a different bass sound, or a different drum kit, different anything, you can at least replace those ROM styles with your own.

This allows for much easier selection from the front panel style family buttons, rather than scrolling through the menus to find them.

I am glad you were able to restore your data, but from now on I strongly recommend before you do anything of such a drastic nature that you do a complete backup of your internal and external data so if anything goes wrong, you are back to where you started from very easily.
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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6392
You talk a total true... I just think same when I noticed that structure of E50 ROM Style - now I'll get ex. the 'count-in' for every ROM Style (to INTRO 1).
I think that whole problem was a 'wrong' information - once many years ago the Roland's agent advised me wrong operate 'how the copy to computer' -operation must to do. Now I think to know...
Everything's allright... so Merry Christmas for every Roland Arranger User from neighbor of Santa Claus! :)
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E-50 Internal Styles missing... #6393
I believe that Intro1 for every ROM Style already has a count-in programmed into it, or a short count and a ‘pickup’...

Your User styles and conversions may not, though.
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