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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 31 Oct 2017 23:24 #6399

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Maybe it's my old ears, but the style Latin Rock seems to be out of tune when you play a minor chord. Has anyone noticed this?
Thanks!
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 01 Nov 2017 18:46 #6403

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That's an E-A7 ROM style, Don?

Is it out of whack in all the Divisions, or just in Intros and Endings? My BK-9 is at work at the moment (house gig) so I can't test immediately.

It is possible the style was developed for a Latin beat that never does go into minor chords, LOL
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 01 Nov 2017 22:21 #6404

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Seems to sound off in all divisions. It is a factory style. Thanks!
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 01 Nov 2017 23:01 #6405

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Try it with Minor 7ths.
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 02 Nov 2017 16:11 #6409

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DonM wrote:
Maybe it's my old ears, but the style Latin Rock seems to be out of tune when you play a minor chord. Has anyone noticed this?
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Don, I don't think it is out of tune , but they use a third inversion on the guitar strum that makes it sound a bit weird.
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 02 Nov 2017 21:13 #6410

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Thanks Fran, I'll try taking out the strum and seeing how that works. I can always edit it.
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 10 Nov 2017 16:05 #6412

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Just listened to it. Nothing wrong with it, to my ears.

Well, unless you count a rather anemic bass sound (I turn off my Mastering Tools, so a lot of the artificial low end boost disappears) and a rather nasty Wurlitzer piano part!

Try this. Go to Makeup Tools, change the Wurlitzer to SC Trem Wurli.
Take the low cut off the Bass Part EQ and the mid boost off too. Change to Finger Bs. Take some velocity off, boost +15 Volume.
Get into the drum kit, reduce the Agogo -15 Vol.. Make the style more about those congas than the shrill agogos.

To my (non-Latin!) ears, this is a lot better.
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 10 Nov 2017 17:10 #6413

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Thanks Diki,
I haven't had time to edit it, but I did find another style that I liked better anyway!
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 10 Nov 2017 23:53 #6414

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The Intro 4 definitely pegs it as some kind of Santana type clone. Not sure if it is song specific.

BTW, go into the lead guitar sound and turn down the MFX final output. This seems to be a common fault in most ROM styles and MA Performances... Sure, the creator added a nice guitar amp overdrive... but rarely went into the edit page and turned it down to balance the style. The BK series can get some awesome overdrive guitar sounds (usually by adding an amp sim to a clean or semi-clean guitar sound) but the default final outputs on these are WAY too loud. I usually turn down the 'Mic Level' control if in the full Amp Sim, or the final output on the lesser MFX's.

Turning down the main Part Level (either in Makeup Tools, or in the Mixer if a style, and the Performance edit if a Keyboard sound) is turning down the 'pre' amp level, not the 'post' amp level, and usually takes off a lot of the 'edge' or 'drive' of the sound you hear when it is too loud. If you want the same tone and drive, but quieter, you MUST do it in the MFX.
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 11 Nov 2017 07:38 #6415

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I was using it for Black Magic Woman, but the intro isn't quite right, so I just played it myself. There is another style called Carlos something that is good too!
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Style doesn't sound right on E-A7 11 Nov 2017 20:40 #6417

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There's an MA entry called Black Magic Girl that covers it quite well, other than the above mentioned ridiculously loud distorted guitar on UPR1.

How any of this was allowed to escape Roland's QA is beyond me. I can only assume that they have none, or that everyone that has an arranger also uses an expression pedal (and even that won't back it down enough!).

It never hurts to look in the MA when first hunting Performance ideas and styles for well known tunes....

The MA uses Oye Son, but Carlos Beat can also work although it's more set up to do 'Smooth'.
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