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Bk-9 MIDI Background and Performance recorded only as WAVE, I want MIDI, is it possible? 27 Aug 2017 17:11 #6200

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Can you record a MIDI Background and a Performance as a MIDI file, instead of Wave?
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Bk-9 MIDI Background and Performance recorded only as WAVE, I want MIDI, is it possible? 28 Aug 2017 23:59 #6203

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If you are talking about recording simply an arrangement and keyboard playing as well, then yes, you can do that. Simply go to global/utilities and make sure the recorder is recording MIDI not .wav's.

Or am I wrong? Can you be more specific about what you are trying to record?

If you are trying to play a style and play the melody on the top of it, then yes the standard recorder will work fine. If you are trying to overdub a track on to a midi sequence, then you need to use the 16 track sequencing.

But if you are trying to record yourself singing at the same time as you play, then no, you will have to use the audio recorder facilities.
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Bk-9 MIDI Background and Performance recorded only as WAVE, I want MIDI, is it possible? 29 Aug 2017 02:08 #6204

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Thank you Stanislav.
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Bk-9 MIDI Background and Performance recorded only as WAVE, I want MIDI, is it possible? 30 Aug 2017 08:52 #6211

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Write down your background as a chord sequencer.
Do not chord loops! Then just call the necessary sequence, run it.
Right hand easy to play. But! Fills and variations do still have to.
There is another option. Display your finished midi background in Audio. Create a performance for the song with the desired sounds and assign your audio background to one of the far right keys! At the same time, the pace will adapt to your requirements. The hard part is loading the button. But if you save the performance, the downloadable background will remain there. Just need to learn the function of loading samples to assignable keys.
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Bk-9 MIDI Background and Performance recorded only as WAVE, I want MIDI, is it possible? 31 Aug 2017 18:48 #6221

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I must admit, it IS a PITA you can only record one track at a time in the 16 track sequencer once you have recorded your basic backing.However, there is a bit of a workaround... If you want to use a layered sound (maybe strings with piano, e.g.) just record the piano Part. Then COPY that track to another track and assign that to the strings. Splits are harder... same principle, but you cannot hear them while you play.

To be honest, if you are overdubbing to a backing sequence, most people tend to concentrate on the one part at a time.

I am still a little confused as to what the problem is... You seem to have already understood how to record the style section to the MIDI Recorder. You then open the SMF in the 16-track Sequencer, pick empty Parts and start adding what you need. If you need a particular Performance for the keyboard sounds, try selecting that BEFORE you record the backing. Then at least the Recorder records the Parts' settings so all you have to do is go in and overdub.

But yes, to be honest, if you wanted to record (in MIDI) an entire played performance over an already done backing, including splits, layers and maybe MI Parts, your best bet is to use a computer DAW like Cubase, Sonor, Reaper, etc., create the backing sequence in the Recorder (as MIDI), transfer the backing SMF to the DAW, set it to send to the BK-9, then create a track set to 'ANY' (or whatever term the sequencer uses for recording a multi-channel input) and then perform the recording using the full keyboard sound...

This is definitely an area that Roland could improve their on-board sequencer, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting! If this is what you MUST do (rather than overdub each Part separately, which is what I prefer to do), then I'm afraid the extra complexity of doing it in a computer sequencer is your only choice. I'm afraid I would NOT recommend an old hardware sequencer, simply because computer DAW's are far better, far more graphical, and offer audio overdubbing for when you want to record real instruments or voices.

Take a good look at Reaper... cross platform, quite inexpensive, and VERY capable, if a tad more complex to set up than Cubase or Logic..

Hope this helps.
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Bk-9 MIDI Background and Performance recorded only as WAVE, I want MIDI, is it possible? 31 Aug 2017 20:15 #6224

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I'm a PC user.
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Bk-9 MIDI Background and Performance recorded only as WAVE, I want MIDI, is it possible? 01 Sep 2017 18:14 #6228

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I'm a Mac user for well over 25 years, so I can't really comment about Sonor. I started sequencing using a Commodore 64 :woohoo: and Dr. T's sequencer in the early 80's but moved on to an Atari ST using the early forms of Cubase, then went Cubase with Mac during the Cubase VST years.

But since my move to Intel iMacs, I haven't yet got the full Cubase (it's rather expensive compared to most) and have been getting by with Reaper ('Reaper's cheaper!') while I make the decision to stay Cubase or migrate to LogicProX, which is possibly the best choice for my Mac.

Overall, if you would like to avoid going to a DAW, the earlier advice about creating a song-length Chord Sequence allows you to play the Keyboard Parts in in real-time (perhaps slow the tempo down enough you don't make any mistakes) without having to worry about the chords is good advice. You will still need to activate the fill and Variation buttons, though (the CS only records chords... earlier Roland CS-equipped arrangers gave you the option to record the fill and Variation presses - why they dropped that is yet another of Roland's little mysteries! :huh: ) but this is the perfect reason to get out and find an FC-7 footpedal-board (or build your own) so you can get those hands-free..!

Yes, you still have to get it right in one take, but if you do have Reaper you can always import several 'takes' of the song and pick and choose the right sections and cut/copy/paste them into one flawless take...
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