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How can I (if at all) convert all of my Roland BK9 styles to Korg pa4x files? 23 Jul 2017 13:49 #6133

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I am considering switching from My roland BK9 to a Korg PA4x ....but I have YEARS worth of styles I use at my gigs.
I know there is a SMF conversion built into the Korg PA4X but my Roland BK9 files are not SMF.
is there a way to convert my Roland styles into Korg PA4x files?

thanks in advance!
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How can I (if at all) convert all of my Roland BK9 styles to Korg pa4x files? 23 Jul 2017 16:30 #6134

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I think part of the point of changing arrangers is to have NEW styles for your songs! If you want to sound just like you already do, stick with what you already have!

Sadly, although there are a few translation programs (EMC) that work with varying degrees of acceptability, a style always sounds best on the arranger it was made for...

It seems to me that poor translations will sound badly when played alongside the Korg's styles, which are designed for it...
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How can I (if at all) convert all of my Roland BK9 styles to Korg pa4x files? 23 Jul 2017 16:47 #6135

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Thanks
My problem with the BK9 is twofold...Roland quit making it....and durability
The keyboard is mostly plastic....this is even more evident when I took it apart, poor build quality...I love the sounds, its light, thus all the plastic.....but it appears that Roland has no plans to come out with another 76 note arranger anytime soon!
I HAVE to have 76 keys because I play left hand bass 90percent of the night at gigs and need that low E
I was just hoping to avoid rebuilding all my styles for the 100s of songs we do in my Duo.
So converting them would be very helpful
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How can I (if at all) convert all of my Roland BK9 styles to Korg pa4x files? 23 Jul 2017 18:11 #6136

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Bobman, that some ways to convert, you can save some styles (ritms) parts in SMF format and use the PA4x convert MIDI function to style and the fine ajusts after that, or try some convert softs that you can easyli find and buy in the internet. This fact makes me say that i'm in the same way seriously considering to change from my Bk-9 / EA-7 / E-80 to a Korg Pa3x/4x, for reasons that everybody knows. The ROLAND has benn got left behind for the yamaha and Korg companies in the arrangers category. We Know that she have, whit the existant techlogy found in integra7 and some Synths, tones, screens, system and functions that was good enought for a new arranger. and i can say more, some functions that stops in his developmant like guitar mode and etc. So, today i have in may room, the last three bigest Roland arrangers, The E-80, Bk-9 and the EA-7, and what i have to say in my feelings when i look to my keyboards its: "The Roland its shrinking."
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How can I (if at all) convert all of my Roland BK9 styles to Korg pa4x files? 23 Jul 2017 20:14 #6137

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thanks for the response!
Im not sure how to save my Roland BK9 styles as SMF

do you know how....do I need a DAW to do this or is the BK9 capable of it....I don't see it listed in the BL9 owners manual
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How can I (if at all) convert all of my Roland BK9 styles to Korg pa4x files? 23 Jul 2017 20:57 #6138

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I think you first need to talk to PA4X owners about the new OS2 update and how well it translates SMF's to styles. If there is a way to easily format an SMF so you get the best conversion, they would probably know...

You realize, of course, that there is considerable differences between a style made from an SMF and a style made using EMC or one of the style converters?

If a style is made from an SMF, you will get only automated conversion to other chord types from the mode of the SMF. In other words, feed it an SMF in a major key, it will do a very simple conversion to minors, 7ths and diminished chords. But the style data itself has intros, endings and patterns written specifically for minor and 7th chords that are DIFFERENT to the main major pattern. You are going to lose those.

This will also make your converted style rather inferior when compared to the PA4's ROM styles (and all its legacy styles).

But, all that aside, if you are determined to use translations rather than find new Korg styles that do the job better, I imagine the best way to get a decent conversion using the Korg's built-in converter is to play only ONE chord (probably a Cmaj if the bassline doesn't jump around too badly in that key), start the BK-9's MIDI Recorder, play the Intro you tend to use most (remember the conversion software won't look at multiple Intros and assign them to multiple Intros on the Korg!) then let the Var1 run seven bars, hit Var2 with auto fill [on] (so you get the usual Roland one bar fill) do the same with Var2 into Var3 into Var4, and then after eight bars of Var4 hit the Ending you usually use.

Here's the rub. That's probably as good as it's going to get. Maybe a Korg user can advise on how to get the fill-downs if possible, but compared to a translation program's ability to get ALL the Divisions with ALL the chord type variations, you are getting a crippled style. Next you have to hope that the drum kits match up sound for sound (probably OK) but also the sample cross-over points (where a snare might switch to a rimshot, for instance) and the velocity curve, so the dynamics track the original.

There is a LOT of stuff that is simply not going to track well, I don't think you realize what a complex task this is using the automated converter.

Now, if you have a computer DAW/Sequencer, there IS a way to do all this from an SMF where you record ALL the Divisions and chord types, then insert specific MIDI Markers in the SMF by hand, and then import to the Korg, and the Korg will make a style from it with all the correct stuff in the right places (all the Variations, Fills, Intros and Endings, Maj/Min/7ths etc) but it is a laborious job that you need to get dead right for it to work! This explains Korg's attempt at automating it :evil:

But essentially, the software Korg designed is really designed so that people can make styles from SMF's of specific songs, so they have a style to play that ONE specific song. I know, I know, sounds pretty crazy to me when simply inserting Mark/Jump points into the SMF would allow them to jump around and re-arrange the song without dealing with turning it into a style, but some people are married so long to playing in style mode they can't really deal with another way of doing the same thing! (And, I have a nasty suspicion, many style players like style mode because they can play the song incorrectly, get the melody wrong, too long, too short, and the arranger will follow their bad playing better than an SMF! :woohoo: )

But regular styles that you use for multiple songs (in other words, not really too specific to one song), the SMF to style converter won't really do a great job, simply because all the extra chord types, fill downs and intro/endings will be missing. So, not as versatile for many different songs.

I still would advise you try to cover as much of your repertoire with Korg styles, get used to them, and only try to convert what few songs the Korg can't even get close to. I have a nasty feeling, unless it is one style per song, that you are going to be disappointed with the results...
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How can I (if at all) convert all of my Roland BK9 styles to Korg pa4x files? 24 Jul 2017 00:21 #6140

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Diki is right when he says that automatic conversion will not have 100% of the nuances of Rhythms on the other keyboard. So if you've set up rhythms on BK-9 you will have no difficulty with PA-4x, and it's more recommended. And the rhythms you take advantage of the BK-9's built-in seat will certainly have something as good as the PA-4x bench. At the end of the day this process of changing keyboard brands rework is almost inevitable. And I say more, for those who are migrating to one of the most expensive, complete and modern keyboard arranger of the present, should at least know how to compose, edit and personalize their own rhythms. So good luck in the migration.

greetings from Brazil
Sorry my poor english
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