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Roland BK-9 volume problem 22 May 2017 00:18 #5940

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Have problem with volume while changing performance memories.
On PM 1 have piano sound, and with expression pedal up, sound goes to minimum. which is ok, and when i changed to PM2, (strings) with expression pedal up, sound stay on minimum without touching pedal, which is still ok. But when i changed to PM6 (harm. bar) with pedal still up, sound goes to maximum volume, which is annoying. If i move pedal down and up, volume goes to minimum.
It looks that harm bar sound can not remember position of expression pedal (like other sounds do)
A little diferent problem - Music Assistant PM 35 - if i put pedal up, sound goes to min, then switch to PM 36 (harm bar) sound is on max volume with pedal still up. If i then put pedal down and up, sound goes to min. If i switch back to PM 35 sound is on min vol, and when i put pedal down,sound goes to max. If i switch back to PM 36, its sound on min volume. with pedal still down. It looks that in this case PM36 (harm bar sound) remember previous harm bar volume settings.

I wish to have always sound on min volume with pedal up, when i changed perf memory. This work on all sounds exept on harm bar PM positions. How can i manage that?
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Roland BK-9 volume problem 22 May 2017 04:43 #5942

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Could this be the reason:
Page 136 manual:
Performance Hold:

Is Expression Pedal on or off?
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Roland BK-9 volume problem 22 May 2017 06:26 #5945

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Yep. HB section doesn't remember the Expression value of the Normal Tone. You CAN change to the HB sound before you start playing, and then lower the expression pedal to zero or wherever, then go back to the sound you had on the Part (just remember the Tone Family it was in and pressing that button will bring back the loaded sound) and use that. When you change to the H.Bar sound, it will start at the expression pedal value you already set it to.

But if you want to change to the H.Bar section and the Expression be correct to your current value, put the H.Bar on a different Part. So If UPR 1 is Piano, and UPR 2 is HB (but not active), even if you don't set the expression value first (which you have to do if it is sharing the same Part), if you switch between UPR1 and UPR2 (the organ), the expression value will be wherever you currently have the pedal.

Plus, you can use one of the Assign Switches to do a 'Change UPR 2/1' which I find a lot simpler than trying to press both UPR Part buttons simultaneously to switch from one to the other as fast as possible... It isn't 100% reliable, sometimes you get both Parts active sometimes you get neither, sometimes you get what you want... :unsure: The 'Change UPR2/1' switch is 100% reliable.

BTW, try to NEVER use the 'Mode' buttons... Both Piano and Organ Mode buttons not only select Organ or Piano at full volume, but they also override ANY Arranger settings you have, even if you have a Hold on. Selecting 'Piano Mode' ALWAYS sets Arranger Type to Pianist2, BASS INV [ON], Whole Mode and Vol 127, whether you want it or not, and Organ sets the Arranger Type to Intelligent, and Split (it doesn't change the BASS INV) and Organ Volume (the red slider) to 127, again whether you want it or not. Even if you have Arranger Type Hold [ON].

This can lead to some bad results if you have one type of Arranger chord recognition you prefer (say Pianist, or One finger, or Standard, or whatever you like usually) 'held' by the Performance Hold. Once it is changed using the Mode buttons, if you have that Performance Hold [ON], it will now 'Hold' that new setting!

I avoid those Mode buttons like the plague unless I'm playing in a live band, no arranger, and have an Expression pedal!
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Roland BK-9 volume problem 22 May 2017 08:24 #5946

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@Torbjoern
Global > Performance hold > Expression pedal = off
performance hold are all off
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Roland BK-9 volume problem 23 May 2017 09:25 #5947

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Performance Hold does not work!

My post above is, AFAIK, the ONLY way to get the H.Bar section to track (in the background) the values of the Expression Pedal.

You either switch to it manually BEFORE you play, and set a likely expression value (but it still isn't tracking your active Part's expression, but at least you can turn it way down so you don't get that nasty full volume jump!), or you MUST put it on one of the other inactive Parts (if in Whole Mode) on the other UPR (inactive) Part, if 'split'.

The issue is, the H.Bar section is an entirely different sound engine. It is basically the guts of a VR-09, at least the Hammond sim engine. And is likely to be a separate chip, or at least a sub-chip on the larger PCB. So, to a certain degree, because Roland's OS doesn't include programmable initial values for Expression (my old K2500 allowed me to set initial value regardless of the physical position of the expression pedal or other sliders), basically the entire chip doesn't 'wake up' until it is switched on, either in the background (as in it being on UPR2, but not active) or the H.Bar section activated by pressing the button.

So this is likely why it doesn't track expression... it isn't even active until at least ONE of the Parts is set to it.

Look, it's not a big deal. Pick one of the UPR Parts to be the organ, and use the other Part for Normal Tones. If you need to switch the Normal Tone to another one, either use the Favorite Tones, pre-select the alternative Tone (and simply switching to the Family button will select it), or program TWO adjacent Performances with the two Tones you need on the same non-H.Bar Part.

This actually works! :evil:

I tried my best, but basically if you don't activate the H.Bar Part as you select the Performance, you ARE going to get that nasty expression jump. :woohoo:
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Roland BK-9 volume problem 20 Jun 2017 12:36 #6036

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The problem i have is every time I load a song the instrument volume isn't loud enough so I have to keep turning it up.
Is there anyway of getting it to remember it.
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Roland BK-9 volume problem 20 Jun 2017 19:47 #6038

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What instrument? More information please...

An instrument in the backing? The whole backing? An instrument YOU play? The HB organ?

EDIT: Saw your post about the volume turning down by itself (dirty fader probably the cause). Is this part of the same issue, or does it happen on other Parts than the one that doesn't work right?
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