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BK7M Virgin 01 Apr 2016 14:32 #4045

Hi Guys

Newbie Chris here

I'm sure this has been covered more than once in the forum but can anyone suggest a suitable replacement for the discontinued (stupid decision) FC7 foot controller, please?

Cheers

Chris
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BK7M Virgin 01 Apr 2016 15:48 #4048

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We have found that you can use a Korg EC_5 5 pedal switch (you have to solder the correct Roland style connector to it or build an adapter) and it works fine, but obviously, you lose the last two switches.

Or you can build your own... There's nothing complicated about an FC-7. It is simply 7 dumb momentary switches (in Roland polarity), so any form factor you feel comfortable with would work.

And sorry, but a simple search of the forum would have brought you up this thread: www.roland-arranger.com/index.php/forum/...-controller-for-bk7m which discusses the entire issue, and shows how several people have made their own solutions. Please don't forget to do a forum search before you post a question! :evil:
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BK7M Virgin 01 Apr 2016 17:09 #4049

Thanks for reply

Incidentally I did do a search but wasn't sure if a more recent alternative has become available since last year when the thread ends
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BK7M Virgin 01 Apr 2016 20:24 #4050

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I use this pedal instead of the FC-7 - it is necessary to solder the connector to DIN-8
Behringer-Footswitch-Amplifier-Channel-Ultrabass-FS112B
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Roland E-80 v.2.01 (SRX-01, 02, 10), Roland M-GS64, Roland XV-5050, Ketron SD-2, Edirol PCR-500, Edirol M-16-DX, Kawai MAV-8
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BK7M Virgin 01 Apr 2016 20:30 #4051

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Don't forget Ebay and other auction sites...

On the whole, though, there are considerable advantages to 'rolling your own'. First of all, you can select your own layout. Some prefer two rows, some one. You can select your own choice of switch types. Some prefer small button style, some want tablet switches, some want piano sustain type. You can also split the switches up (or run parallel switches) and mount small switches on the arranger itself if you prefer doing things with your hands (there's quite a lot of things that only the FC-7 can do). In fact, on Roland's new E-A7, it looks like the FC-7 input is gone, but magically, seven switches by the bender have suddenly appeared. Coincidence? I think not! :evil: But it definitely lends credence to the idea that the FC-7 is permanently gone. And I agree... simply one more example of how Roland have no idea when they have a good thing :whistle:

Also, if you are considering using a pedalboard to do sustain rather than a dedicated sustain pedal, let me warn you... I tried doing that, using an FC-7 on my G1000 to do Variation changes, and sustain for UPR and LWR. Sadly, the switches in an FC-7 don't honestly hold up to the constant use a sustain pedal puts on them, compared to occasional use like Variation changes, etc.. I ended up messing up the FC-7 and having to have a tech replace out the micro-switches. Ouch!

So 'rolling your own' presents you with the opportunity to use higher duty cycle switches if you want to include sustain as a regular use.

TBH, I rather doubt anyone will build a commercial replacement. It's just too small a niche product. But there ARE already some commercial solutions to using the 5-switch Korg EC-5 - www.roxys.com/shop/roland-bk-7mkorg-ec-5-midi-cable/
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BK7M Virgin 01 Apr 2016 21:59 #4053

Thanks for your replies guys
any UK solutions out there?
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BK7M Virgin 03 Apr 2016 02:27 #4055

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How many functions do you need?

As I said earlier, if you can make do with only 5 switches, Korg's EC-5 pedal works fine when adapted to the different connector. Those are available in the EU...

An off the shelf replacement for the FC-7 simply does not exist, AFAIK.
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BK7M Virgin 03 Apr 2016 10:31 #4057

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If you are up to it... On a Dutch market site you can find a Roland FC-7:
www.marktplaats.nl/a/audio-tv-en-foto/ov...0c1b&previousPage=lr
Roland E-80 V2.03 + SRX-06 + SR-G01, FC-7, PK-5, SC-8820.
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BK7M Virgin 03 Apr 2016 16:09 #4058

Thanks Willem

But at the moment Im struggling with the Guitar to BK7 auto accompaniment stability so it may go back

But thanks to you all for your helpful responses

PS if anyone has any suggestions as to whether a GR55 linked to the BK7 can be reliable and the best settings if not here perhaps another thread

Thanks again
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BK7M Virgin 03 Apr 2016 22:54 #4059

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I suggest you record the output of your MIDI guitar into a sequencer...

It is possibly the best way to see whether you are getting little glitches in the pitch tracking that may throw off an arranger. If you are only using the MIDI to drive the arranger, you might want to turn off any tight pitch tracking and bend tracking, because none of that matters to the arranger's chord recognition.

But little glitches can really throw off chord tracking. There are no 'window' adjustments in the BK, it is ENTIRELY up to the GR55 to present the BK with a stable, glitch-free chord.

What is your primary issue with the GR55/BK-7m combo?
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