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Tons of song styles 10 Aug 2015 22:22 #2502

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I never thought that the day would come. I have played Roland keyboards for 25 years, but with the latest addition of keyboards from Roland, I have given up and turned to Yamaha Tyros5 - and I must say.......a decision I haven't regret. B)

Over the years I have made many song related styles and I am giving these away for free, and hope that others will enjoy using them as much as I have. Some styles require some learning to use. Please note that there are many danish song styles included.
You can download them as a zip file from this post or from:
www.offenbachmusik.dk/G70.zip
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Tons of song styles 11 Aug 2015 02:32 #2503

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I'd like to buy Yamaha Tyros 5, but it costs as 3 Bk9, and no better 3 X.
I think that Tyros is overrated.
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Tons of song styles 11 Aug 2015 07:57 #2504

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I used to think the same until I actually got to work with it. Just imagine having several DSP you can add to instruments in both styles and midifiles. And the DSPs are really really great. It sounds amazing - but one thing I am going to miss is the great options of editing even the tiniest details on the G70. In that department Yamaha is far behind :-)
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Tons of song styles 11 Aug 2015 20:34 #2506

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Thank you for the styles.

There are chains, DB, user program, and styles. Please explain how to use these.
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Tons of song styles 12 Aug 2015 04:36 #2507

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Although I'm not a huge fan of the more processed sound of the Tyros line, I must admit to being jealous of the new Ensemble Mode.

But the price point IS a factor. The 76 version of the T5 (I play piano, and find 61's too restrictive) really is close to 3X the price of a BK-9. And don't discount the insert effects of the BK-9... two for Keyboard Parts and THREE for style/smf's... Not too shabby! The real trick is that all legacy styles don't use any MFX at all... so there's tons of ways to freshen them up and add considerable more quality to the style with no more effort than selecting an appropriate MFX for a few key sounds.

In a perfect world, a Tyros 6 would be as light and small as a BK-9, have its Chord Sequencer and a 76, and those punchy drums... and THEN add the Tyros goodies! :woohoo: B)

Bernie, I think, with these being G70 UPG's (is there a .UPS file in there, too?) you have to read up in the v1.06 addendum how to import G70/E80 UPS's and UPG's....
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Tons of song styles 12 Aug 2015 19:35 #2509

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Thanks Offenbach for the styles, very kind of you.
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Tons of song styles 12 Aug 2015 20:12 #2510

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You're welcome....I hope you can make something out of it :-)
As I mentioned some styles are a bit tricky, but give it some time and you'll get the hang of it.
Some might have a part designed to play a certain melody line matching the right chords - but these parts can be deleted without messing up the arrangement.
Any questions please let me know :-)
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Tons of song styles 12 Aug 2015 20:16 #2511

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Thank God for diversity - otherwise we would all sound alike ;-)
I used to feel the same way about the more CD sounding approach on the Tyros, but after having played on it and messed around the options I have fallen completely in love with it :-).............But I agree that the price tag is more vertical than steep
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Tons of song styles 12 Aug 2015 20:36 #2512

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about the DB and Chain folders, I just forgot to delete them. Just load the .ups and the styles and you should be set to go :-)
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Tons of song styles 13 Aug 2015 01:26 #2515

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You'll probably need to load the styles at the root level of the My Rhythms folder, because the G70 had no ability to have nestled folders, so all data resided at root level of each folder. If you miss that step, you'll probably get a lot of 'Style not found' messages.

Unfortunately, this is going to mix them in with your regular data willy nilly..! So, if I were you and you simply want to audition them (they sound somewhat a mixed bag in usefulness), I would backup your stick, load the new styles, then when you are done auditioning (write down which ones you like), reload the original data. This will erase the new stuff. You can then simply load the styles you DO want and leave the rest off...

You can now delete all entries in the Performance List that are for styles you didn't load...
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Tons of song styles 13 Aug 2015 01:42 #2516

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Offenbach, I understand how to load the styles, but what is the ups and how do they load (into a bk-7m)?
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Tons of song styles 13 Aug 2015 04:19 #2517

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A UPS file was the equivalent of a Performance List (the file it stores on your stick still uses the .UPS suffix, in fact) but AFAIK, only the BK-9 received an update to allow it to read G70 UPS's and UPG's (Performances).

So, I think you are on your own with the styles by themselves on the BK-7m.
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Tons of song styles 13 Aug 2015 10:44 #2518

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Thanks for the info Diki.
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Tons of song styles 13 Aug 2015 21:32 #2522

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Just another big thank you Offenbach. I am using many of your styles; some song specific,ie Proud Mary and Oblidi Oblida, and some general country. I have just begun and find some are superior to some factory styles.

I have a BK-9 and just made a folder in the pc of some to audition and put the folder in My Rythms. I easily made performances after tweaking some overall volume balances.
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Tons of song styles 13 Aug 2015 22:18 #2523

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I have rather mixed feelings about songstyles... Once upon a time, they were the only way you could perform a song on an arranger and still have control over it, to do extra verses, choruses, and yet still have the correct basslines and passing chords etc., and sound as good as an SMF (a good one, anyway!).

But the Mark/Jump feature changed all that... You can now (on a BK-9, at least) place up to four Markers in an SMF, and freely move between them all on the fly with no interruption to the music. Overall, I find this far easier to use than songstyles, because you need to have a deep knowledge of what each Variation and Fill does to be able to get through the song in normal fashion, let alone restructure it.

But an SMF needs no input to progress normally, you only need to remember what the Markers do to restructure it. Generally, I tend to simply put a Marker in for the solo (so I or anyone sitting in can have an extra solo if wanted) and a Marker for the first or second verse, so if the dancers get up late, I can jump back and repeat a fair bit of the song to accommodate them. More than that can get to be overkill...

If you have Markers, I think that the songstyles are an idea past its need...

Mind you, there are ways it could be made better. More is always good (we could, for instance, use the Rhythm Family buttons to get 10, as they have no purpose during SMF play), and a display that reminds you what each one is would be a great improvement. It might also be great if each Marker light flashes a bit (say for one bar) as the sequence passes it. That would be another quick mnemonic aid even if the display wasn't possible.

But before you jump through hoops trying to make songstyles work for you, consider using a great pro SMF, and simply put some Markers in... B)
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Tons of song styles 14 Aug 2015 11:39 #2526

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Point well taken, especially those that are sequentially structured, as you mentioned. Whereas general styles have the flexibility I sometimes need for medleys, comps, etc., specific songstyles can probably be replaced as you suggest. I have never used markers, but will look into it.

Thanks Diki
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Tons of song styles 14 Aug 2015 22:23 #2536

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You can even use Markers in some non-standard ways. I have some sequences for songs that have free form intros, then the band comes in after a while. It's always a pain having to try and play along with the loose tempo intro, trying to time pauses and rubatos to match EXACTLY the tempo of the sequence, with no drums to help you... But put a Marker in for the start of the drums, and before hitting Start, hit that Marker, you have now cued up the start of the tempo section. Play the intro yourself, with your own rubato and timing, then just press Start to get the band to start.

Need a vamp in the middle of a song of indeterminate size (say you want to do a speaking section in the middle, talk to the audience, jam over a few chords etc.)? Create the vamp (from the style, or another style, or just a drum and bassline, etc.) of way longer than you might ever need, and add it to the sequence WELL past the end of it (give yourself say 16 bars after the end, to make sure it doesn't start playing accidentally when you get to the end and forget to hit Stop). Now, during the song, hit the Marker for the vamp... and play, talk, juggle, whatever! It will go on as long as you might want (and it can be different each time you perform) without having to keep pressing the Marker button to repeat a short one (hard to do if you are juggling, taking an ocarina solo, walking out front to get up in the audience's face!).

Then, when you are ready to get back into the song, hit the Marker you have placed for the point you want to resume to, and continue. Magic! :P

How about this? Say you want to medley three or four songs, but want to jump freely between them on the fly, as is your whim. Append each sequence to each other (either in a DAW or by copy/paste in the BK's sequencer). Now place a Marker for the start of each song, and while playing one, you can jump to another (and back, if you want). Pretty cool! B)

There's a ton of ways you can use Markers creatively, to solve problems that only arranger play could solve in the past. :ohmy:
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I am grateful for the cool styles

Grt Marc
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Tons of song styles 04 Oct 2016 00:55 #5154

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Thank you Offenbach.
Many of your styles are interesting.
I use them in the E-A7, and saved them in a designated folder on the flash drive. Organization is easy on the E-A7.
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Tons of song styles 04 Oct 2016 07:47 #5155

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Yes Fran... the E-A7 allows you to create and work with folders directly inside the arranger.

But the BK series has allowed nestled folders to be created on the stick while it is in the computer, and recognized by the BK, which is a vast improvement on the G/E series' restriction that ALL styles, songs etc. reside at the root level of the My Songs (etc.) folders the G/E had (this used to be a nightmare when importing styles or SMF simply to audition them... they got mixed in with the gig data and made it very hard to bulk delete).

In practice, although it's handy should you want to not put the stick in the computer, I think the much more comprehensive Finder/Explorer display in a computer a FAR safer way to organize your data, move stuff around, and get good visual confirmation you are doing the thing you want and your data is organized efficiently.

I recommend, however, that ALL data that you actually use in gigging Performances be kept at the root level of the correct folder (Songs, Styles, Audio, etc.).

The advantages to this are, firstly, you don't lose track of where the stuff is that you actually USE on the gig, you don't have to remember which folder (nestled inside another folder in yet another one! :woohoo: ) the SMF or audio file is that a Performance uses. Handy should you want to clear some dead wood out one day, or create a small backup stick with just your most important data on it.

Secondly, should you Makeup Tools an SMF while performing (maybe the drums were too quiet, or something has too much reverb) you can quickly Save/Replace the sequence by simply going to the root level of the My Songs folder, pressing 'Save' and doing a 'Replace file'. Should your gig data be shotgunned all over the place, it will make this (essential, IMHO) function next to impossible to do on the fly, because you'll be hard pressed to remember where the file was. Plus navigating around a few scroll wheel turns and burrowing down two or three folder levels takes too long and will interrupt the show.

If you simply save the file you worked on, your Performance will still point to the old SMF unless you do a replace. So I highly recommend copying the style/SMF you are working on to the root level BEFORE you create the Performance, then editing and replacing while on a gig will be a simple process...
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