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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 26 Oct 2016 13:10 #5186

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Hi!

How can i achieve this:

I was able to connect my Roland E-A7 to my Computer, and created a new Style using Cubase as a MIDI , then exported this Style as a MIDI File . Now how can i convert it to a Style to make it work with the Roland E-A7.

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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 29 Oct 2016 05:51 #5191

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Roland are considerably late in releasing a new SMF to Style converter, but you MIGHT be able to use the GW-8 converter www.roland-arranger.com/index.php/files/...-style-converter-4-1 on a PC.

Basic file structure has only changed with regard to two LESS fills, so as long as you find out which fill goes where on the new E-A7 four fill system (I still have absolutely no idea why Roland decided to step back from the best fill structure of any make or arranger out there! :angry: ) I have a feeling that your E-A7 may be able to read the final .STL file this program makes.

This is pretty old software (2011) so no guarantees it will work with the latest Win OS, and best of luck getting any serious tech support from Roland about it!

But if you can install and get it to run, it MIGHT do the trick....

Don't forget, if you are trying to simply create a 'Frankenstyle' by combining the bassline from one style, drums from another, guitar from another, etc., the normal Style Composer 'Track Copy' function can achieve this... It is amazing how easy it is to create new styles simply by doing this... B)
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 31 Oct 2016 09:49 #5196

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Dear Diki,

Thank you very much for answering my Post. Meanwhile, i found i pretty good way and very simple to record all the Roland styles, that i made on Cubase using the Drum kits, sounds, etc of the Roland E-A7 . I recorded a Video on YouTube showing explaining this. The Video still in Arabic, but i am willing to create a new one also in English to help all other Arranger Users to use this easy way. You can take a look on this Video, even if you can not understand my Arabic, but you will for sure understand the procedure , because i show it in a simple way.

This is the Link to my Video if you still interested and for the community.

Creating Roland E-A7 Styles using any DAW
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 11 Nov 2016 20:59 #5251

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I've created simple test SMF file with 16 measures and converted it using "Style Converter 3" (GW-8 )
with minimal 1 measure/division settings:

STYLE = test16
INTRO_1 = 1
INTRO_2 = 1
INTRO_3 = 1
INTRO_4 = 1
MAIN_1 = 1
MAIN_2 = 1
MAIN_3 = 1
MAIN_4 = 1
FILL_1 = 1
FILL_2 = 1
FILL_3 = 1
FILL_4 = 1
ENDING_1 = 1
ENDING_2 = 1
ENDING_3 = 1
ENDING_4 = 1

When converted style is loaded in E-A7, the result are as follows:

Source measure -> Division in arranger

1 - Intro 1
2 - Intro 2
3 - Intro 3
4 - Intro 4

5 - Main 1
6 - Main 2
7 - Main 3
8 - Main 4

9 - Fill 2, Fill 3
10 - Fill 1
11 - Fill 4
12 - nothing

13 - Ending 1
14 - Ending 2
15 - Ending 3
16 - Ending 4

One fill-in is lost :(
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 12 Nov 2016 10:34 #5255

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"200 ritmaos E-A7.zip" seems to contain version 4 files. I would give this converter a chance (see also #5191).
Please send a selfmade style from your arranger with a short explanation about the content.
Last Edit: 13 Nov 2016 15:07 by Kerry Oki.
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 30 Mar 2017 15:24 #5696

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Hi!

Did you find out, how can you convert the styles without lost? And did you create the Styles using a DAW? How you named the Markers, and in which format you exported them?

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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 30 Mar 2017 15:28 #5697

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Hi Dirk!

Thank you very much for your details explaining. I need to know how the structure of the Roland MIDI File looks like in the DAW. How the Markers should be looks like and which names should i gave them.

Thanks in Advance!
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 30 Mar 2017 23:53 #5699

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Er.... read the manual?
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 31 Mar 2017 18:11 #5701

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In addition to the manual ... you need to define controls for each division and of course the tones and beats.
Controls:
- bank select (msb+lsb) + program change
- control change : expression CC07 (instead of volume), panorama CC10, reverb CC91, chorus CC93
- optional pitch band, NRPN commands (msb+lsb+data), hold1
- I have no glue for a midi setup of "adaptive cord voicing".
The template below does not contain any tone but controls.

Correction: expression CC11
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 31 Mar 2017 18:35 #5703

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If you record a ROM style as a MIDI file, you will get the standard header information for each Division.

BTW, you might want to bone up a bit more on your basic MIDI knowledge. Expression is always CC11. Volume is CC7. Volume is used for the initial setup of a Division, but Expression allows you to make changes inside the Division (swells, jumps etc.). Never use CC7 in the middle of a style.

All in all, I'd concentrate on just the basic stuff when creating the style in the first place. You can always use the Makeup Tools to add the minutiae afterwards (like EQ's, MFX's, voice editing offsets, pan, effects levels, even final Tone choice and drumkit editing).

No point in over-complicating it, is there?
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 31 Mar 2017 22:09 #5704

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How does it work, if you instantly play back the tracks from the external sequencer?
IMHO the header must be early added, the tone choice is the most important setup.
BTW I haven't noted any changes by CC7 (volume).
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 02 Apr 2017 09:27 #5705

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Thank you all for your replay. I will check it out today and give you my feedback.

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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 12 Apr 2017 12:54 #5757

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Hi all again!

I had the chance yesterday after along work day to test your sugesstions,

1. The old converter ( Style Converter V.4 works)

2. I faced a small Problem , and that is , when i use the drum track and try to use let's say, Standard Drum Kit1 to create Intro 1 , then switched to Intro 2 and tried to use a different Drumkit as example Jazz Drumkit , then Intro 1 become wrong, because it playes another Drumkit and not the one that i used to create Intro 1 . I should say, that i used Cubase for this Purpose and enterd MSB and LSB for the corespondent Drumkits.

3. i created the Intro 2 just directly beside Intro 1 ( Is that wrong? should i place space between them? , would this solve me Probme , when i switch from a DrumKit to anotherone? )

Should i attach screenshots of my arrangment , to be more clear ?

Sorry for my bad english.

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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 12 Apr 2017 20:02 #5758

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No, intro 2 directly follows intro 1 without empty measures.
Have you also setup program change?
Last Edit: 14 Apr 2017 10:19 by Kerry Oki.
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 13 Apr 2017 10:00 #5770

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Hi Kerry!

I will post to you what i did as soon as i go back home. And Yes i enterd MSB and LSB ( Programm Change) for the next DrumKit. Because for the first DrumKit , i used as an example : Let's say JazzDrumKit and used therefore the correspondent MSB and LSB, then for Intro 2 I used another DrumKit and changed the MSB and LSB and used the correspondent Nr. . Did i miss something here? What i did was wrong?

Thanks for Answering and for your Time.

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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 14 Apr 2017 10:18 #5779

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You are right, it takes time. Check out the sample, it works on my BK arranger.
I have used the msb of EA7, that BK simply ignores.
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 16 Apr 2017 01:17 #5790

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One thing I remember from older versions of Cubase (I still think VST5 was the best version for MIDI use!) was, it was important that MSB/LSB and PC were in the correct order for certain sounds. Something to do with getting some of the legacy kits.

So doublecheck that Cubase is set up to do them in the right order in the List Edit. And, I'm sorry, I don't remember which was supposed to come first. Pretty sure it was MSB then LSB then PC, but I could be mistaken. Cubase can display MSB/LSB as all one field (one big number), or it can be set so MSB/LSB are displayed in different fields in the Inspector. Make sure it is set to the two numbers...

But always check the List Edit, and make sure the order is correct. There used to be a bug back in the old days where if you copied and pasted a bunch of data from the List Edit, it would reverse the controllers (but not the notes) and you'd end up with PC first, then MSB/LSB. No idea if that is fixed... Hopefully, 'cos that's a while back, LOL!
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 16 Apr 2017 13:15 #5795

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I agree.
Somewhere in this forum I have read the information, that the style format combines the MIDI messages
- bank select (msb and lsb)
- and progam change
to one instruction.
That's why I specify these messages msb, lsb and pc in this order sequence. In case of my sequencer rosegarden on linux, when I modify msb, it jumps to the end of the list (same time). I move lsb and program change too. But that's just my intuition.
If the order sequence was important for the issue, it would be a weakness of the converter.
BTW, the sequencer SONAR X LE came with my arranger and is full of bugs. There is no possibility to send bug reports to CAKEWALK.
Last Edit: 16 Apr 2017 23:19 by Kerry Oki. Reason: cosmetic change
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Convert smf files created by Cubase to STL for Roland E-A7 16 Apr 2017 21:34 #5796

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It is important that ALL CC codes are on tick 1.1.001 in any list edit. This is why checking the List Edit BEFORE going to the export and off to the conversion program is important, to make sure they all are on tick one and in the right order.
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