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Starting point for newbie 12 Aug 2016 02:49 #4788

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I am using a Roland FP-80, which uses styles. I have success in downloading .STL files and using them. I am interested in researching how they are created and possibly editing them. Any help to get me started is appreciated.

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Starting point for newbie 12 Aug 2016 03:56 #4789

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I downloaded the FP-80 manual. I cannot find anything in there that allows you to load new styles (or create them).

Can you tell us how you managed this?
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Starting point for newbie 12 Aug 2016 04:40 #4790

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Downloaded from this site sample styles. i.e. from korg to e50.rar to USB. The Rhythm Button selected. The - Button accesses files on the USB.

I can play along with the STL files. The Tempo, Variation, Intro work just fine. I can select full accompaniment, or select Bass and or Drums.
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Starting point for newbie 12 Aug 2016 13:40 #4792

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To add to this comment... I can switch from one STL file to another and in some cases switching while it is playing hangs the piano. I'd like to understand the STL file..
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Starting point for newbie 13 Aug 2016 04:58 #4793

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I own a Bk-9 ( more than 500 built-in styles) and a FP-80 ( only 90 styles ).

I have lots of .STL files, easy to find on internet. Guess how excited I was to read from your experience, Reathpd!

I just did a quick test by putting some styles on a blank usb drive. It works, as per your instructions.

Inaccurate original post: ((( So far, Roland original styles do, but Ketron styles modified into .stl files don't work at all on the FP-80, the piano plays the last Roland style loaded. The BK-9 plays them fine.))))

Corrected information: I used a cheap usb key to perform my first quick test, so both keyboards couldn't read some files, same ones. All files worked fine with a proper key...

I will do more tests tomorrow and be back with my observations.
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Last Edit: 14 Aug 2016 06:41 by Rolyvon. Reason: Inaccurate information corrected
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Starting point for newbie 14 Aug 2016 01:47 #4795

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Hi Reathpd. You can find interesting information about how to create or edit .stl files by reading pages 95 to 111 in the BK-9 owner's manual, because that arranger keyboard has a built-in Rhythm Composer. There are other tools available to do the same, but I don't know about them.

Basic info about .stl styles:
They are far more complex than what the FP-80 uses: 4 variations, 4 intros, 4 endings, 3 fills up, 3 fills down, etc., compared to FP-80's 2 variations with one intro, ending and fill per variation. It's interesting that the FP-80 is able to use what it can out of the .stl files ( I wonder if the smaller FPs do the same?) and deliver something useable.

By the way, I consider the FP-80 as an arranger keyboard: it has a complete set of instrument sounds, including editable tone wheel organs sounds, many rhythms, all similar to BK keyboards ( same names, but light editions ), a voice harmonizer ( better than any BK on that point! ), assignable control pedals with continuous action, allowing bending, etc. Roland call them "stage pianos". Another kind of arranger keyboards for another kind of performers, who enjoy a very good 88 keys piano action...
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Starting point for newbie 14 Aug 2016 07:54 #4796

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Ok, here is what I found.

The FP-80 uses the variation 1 of .stl styles as its original pattern and the variation 3 of .stl styles as its variation. Intros, endings and fills follow that rule, with both internal and external rhythms of any origin.

Up-to-date Roland .stl files don't usually cause the FP-80 to freeze when you switch styles. That problem happened to me with some other brands rhythms modified into .stl and with vintage edited styles from the BK-LB01 collection... Do your own tests!

All 90 internal rhythms on the FP-80 can be found on the BK-9: same names, arrangements, sounds ( in the limits of their respective tonal processions, guitars and drums being better on the BK-9, IMHO ).

I guess that those who would like to hear v2 or v4 of a style on the FP-80 would need to use a rhythm editor to copy and paste those parts in the appropriate v1 or v3 rhythm divisions of the .stl file.

Let's just hope that Roland won't make an update that would make the FP-80 unable to play external styles :whistle:
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Starting point for newbie 15 Aug 2016 07:42 #4807

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That's one hell of an undocumented feature! :evil:

Have Roland completely lost their minds? :woohoo:

Here's style compatibility and expansion for a product, and Roland don't mention it in the manual? Who's in charge over there? Do they need someone with a brain for a change? :ohmy:
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Starting point for newbie 15 Aug 2016 12:45 #4817

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Very much appreciate your response. I downloaded the manual. Is the STL file open? Can it be edited directly? Using pc software / editor?
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Starting point for newbie 15 Aug 2016 12:53 #4818

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Unsure what to comment. I presume they are rhetorical :).

I use the FP-80 and an iPad for music display. The app has MIDI capabilities to send midi commands based on the score displayed.. Hoped I could use this to select recorded Songs and or styles from the FP-80. Any advise? / comments
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